More Signal History


Gedas
 

I was admiring & appreciating the signal history feature of console and was wondering if there is a way to slow it WAY, WAY down so we could record & display on a single screen, say, 12 hrs worth of activity? This would be most helpful to plot propagation effects such as the CME that will be hitting today or tomorrow.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

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Simon Brown
 

Export the data?

 

If really important I could write SH data to a SQLite database or XML.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gedas
Sent: 01 September 2021 17:25
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: [SDR-Radio] More Signal History

 

I was admiring & appreciating the signal history feature of console and was wondering if there is a way to slow it WAY, WAY down so we could record & display on a single screen, say, 12 hrs worth of activity? This would be most helpful to plot propagation effects such as the CME that will be hitting today or tomorrow.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT
 
Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
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jdow
 

For that you might also like an R888 so you could watch DC to ultra low infra red and see effects over that entire range. That would be fun, actually, worth dedicating something like a NUC and some form of omnidirectional wide band antenna to capturing the data long term. Something that takes a screenshot every hour or so would store the data nicely. Ah yes, a matrix window with a signal history per window would be ideal for tracking beacons.

{^_^}

On 20210901 09:24:46, Gedas wrote:

I was admiring & appreciating the signal history feature of console and was wondering if there is a way to slow it WAY, WAY down so we could record & display on a single screen, say, 12 hrs worth of activity? This would be most helpful to plot propagation effects such as the CME that will be hitting today or tomorrow.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.



Gedas
 

That would be VERY useful Simon. There are a lot of folks who would jump on being able to take that data and then generate some plots.

FYI, the history plot (like the one I posted) is so dang cool and awesome looking. Love it.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/1/2021 12:37 PM, Simon Brown wrote:

Export the data?

 

If really important I could write SH data to a SQLite database or XML.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gedas
Sent: 01 September 2021 17:25
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: [SDR-Radio] More Signal History

 

I was admiring & appreciating the signal history feature of console and was wondering if there is a way to slow it WAY, WAY down so we could record & display on a single screen, say, 12 hrs worth of activity? This would be most helpful to plot propagation effects such as the CME that will be hitting today or tomorrow.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT
 
Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

 


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Gedas
 

Agree but it would be so nice to tune to a specific frequency (sometimes up in the HF bands) via console and gather our data w/o additional hardware and/or software. Console does almost everything I could hope for.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/1/2021 12:39 PM, jdow wrote:

For that you might also like an R888 so you could watch DC to ultra low infra red and see effects over that entire range. That would be fun, actually, worth dedicating something like a NUC and some form of omnidirectional wide band antenna to capturing the data long term. Something that takes a screenshot every hour or so would store the data nicely. Ah yes, a matrix window with a signal history per window would be ideal for tracking beacons.

{^_^}

On 20210901 09:24:46, Gedas wrote:

I was admiring & appreciating the signal history feature of console and was wondering if there is a way to slow it WAY, WAY down so we could record & display on a single screen, say, 12 hrs worth of activity? This would be most helpful to plot propagation effects such as the CME that will be hitting today or tomorrow.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.



данила фадеев
 

This is implemented in the SDRDataFile Analyzer ("Signal History" option). But it seems to me that the width limit of 10,000 pixels will be irrelevant for bands wider than 2-3 MHz. It is very difficult to see the signals. I am working with old versions SDR-RADIO-Pro_v2.2b1735 and SDR-RADIO-Pro_v2.3b3825.
How to visualize IQ data with resolution in versions 3.xx
10 thousand or more pixels?
  My daily traffic of HF IQ data per day is about 1 terabyte (~ 10 hours of 6MHz bandwidth, in 16-bit resolution)

Danila

Без вирусов. www.avast.ru

ср, 1 сент. 2021 г. в 19:49, Gedas <w8bya@...>:

Agree but it would be so nice to tune to a specific frequency (sometimes up in the HF bands) via console and gather our data w/o additional hardware and/or software. Console does almost everything I could hope for.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/1/2021 12:39 PM, jdow wrote:
For that you might also like an R888 so you could watch DC to ultra low infra red and see effects over that entire range. That would be fun, actually, worth dedicating something like a NUC and some form of omnidirectional wide band antenna to capturing the data long term. Something that takes a screenshot every hour or so would store the data nicely. Ah yes, a matrix window with a signal history per window would be ideal for tracking beacons.

{^_^}

On 20210901 09:24:46, Gedas wrote:

I was admiring & appreciating the signal history feature of console and was wondering if there is a way to slow it WAY, WAY down so we could record & display on a single screen, say, 12 hrs worth of activity? This would be most helpful to plot propagation effects such as the CME that will be hitting today or tomorrow.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.



данила фадеев
 

If anyone is interested in taking a look, these canvases of the spectrum look something like the link below. I know most of the digital and analog signals in person, reading the spectrum that was recorded during the day is fun! The areas of interest are decimated and sent to special classifiers / processors. Training a neural network of radiation classifiers is also fun, albeit very time consuming ...
Danila

ср, 1 сент. 2021 г. в 19:54, данила фадеев via groups.io <karapuzito=gmail.com@groups.io>:

This is implemented in the SDRDataFile Analyzer ("Signal History" option). But it seems to me that the width limit of 10,000 pixels will be irrelevant for bands wider than 2-3 MHz. It is very difficult to see the signals. I am working with old versions SDR-RADIO-Pro_v2.2b1735 and SDR-RADIO-Pro_v2.3b3825.
How to visualize IQ data with resolution in versions 3.xx
10 thousand or more pixels?
  My daily traffic of HF IQ data per day is about 1 terabyte (~ 10 hours of 6MHz bandwidth, in 16-bit resolution)

Danila

Без вирусов. www.avast.ru

ср, 1 сент. 2021 г. в 19:49, Gedas <w8bya@...>:

Agree but it would be so nice to tune to a specific frequency (sometimes up in the HF bands) via console and gather our data w/o additional hardware and/or software. Console does almost everything I could hope for.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/1/2021 12:39 PM, jdow wrote:
For that you might also like an R888 so you could watch DC to ultra low infra red and see effects over that entire range. That would be fun, actually, worth dedicating something like a NUC and some form of omnidirectional wide band antenna to capturing the data long term. Something that takes a screenshot every hour or so would store the data nicely. Ah yes, a matrix window with a signal history per window would be ideal for tracking beacons.

{^_^}

On 20210901 09:24:46, Gedas wrote:

I was admiring & appreciating the signal history feature of console and was wondering if there is a way to slow it WAY, WAY down so we could record & display on a single screen, say, 12 hrs worth of activity? This would be most helpful to plot propagation effects such as the CME that will be hitting today or tomorrow.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.



jdow
 

Seeing individual signals would not be the point. Seeing the changes in noise plus signal charted over months and compared with some of the more prestigious prediction programs would be "velly eenterestink".

{^_^}

On 20210901 09:54:19, данила фадеев wrote:
This is implemented in the SDRDataFile Analyzer ("Signal History" option). But it seems to me that the width limit of 10,000 pixels will be irrelevant for bands wider than 2-3 MHz. It is very difficult to see the signals. I am working with old versions SDR-RADIO-Pro_v2.2b1735 and SDR-RADIO-Pro_v2.3b3825.
How to visualize IQ data with resolution in versions 3.xx
10 thousand or more pixels?
  My daily traffic of HF IQ data per day is about 1 terabyte (~ 10 hours of 6MHz bandwidth, in 16-bit resolution)

Danila

Без вирусов. www.avast.ru

ср, 1 сент. 2021 г. в 19:49, Gedas <w8bya@...>:

Agree but it would be so nice to tune to a specific frequency (sometimes up in the HF bands) via console and gather our data w/o additional hardware and/or software. Console does almost everything I could hope for.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/1/2021 12:39 PM, jdow wrote:
For that you might also like an R888 so you could watch DC to ultra low infra red and see effects over that entire range. That would be fun, actually, worth dedicating something like a NUC and some form of omnidirectional wide band antenna to capturing the data long term. Something that takes a screenshot every hour or so would store the data nicely. Ah yes, a matrix window with a signal history per window would be ideal for tracking beacons.

{^_^}

On 20210901 09:24:46, Gedas wrote:

I was admiring & appreciating the signal history feature of console and was wondering if there is a way to slow it WAY, WAY down so we could record & display on a single screen, say, 12 hrs worth of activity? This would be most helpful to plot propagation effects such as the CME that will be hitting today or tomorrow.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.




Gedas
 

Yeah I love the way Simon has that history plot displayed ! It is awesome. Imagine being able to see a full 24 hr of a certain station, like WWV etc and watching it's S/N change throughout the day. Even if you had to give up fine details and if some averaging was performed it would be cool. That kind of data is really cool.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/1/2021 4:10 PM, jdow wrote:

Seeing individual signals would not be the point. Seeing the changes in noise plus signal charted over months and compared with some of the more prestigious prediction programs would be "velly eenterestink".

{^_^}

On 20210901 09:54:19, данила фадеев wrote:
This is implemented in the SDRDataFile Analyzer ("Signal History" option). But it seems to me that the width limit of 10,000 pixels will be irrelevant for bands wider than 2-3 MHz. It is very difficult to see the signals. I am working with old versions SDR-RADIO-Pro_v2.2b1735 and SDR-RADIO-Pro_v2.3b3825.
How to visualize IQ data with resolution in versions 3.xx
10 thousand or more pixels?
  My daily traffic of HF IQ data per day is about 1 terabyte (~ 10 hours of 6MHz bandwidth, in 16-bit resolution)

Danila

Без вирусов. www.avast.ru

ср, 1 сент. 2021 г. в 19:49, Gedas <w8bya@...>:

Agree but it would be so nice to tune to a specific frequency (sometimes up in the HF bands) via console and gather our data w/o additional hardware and/or software. Console does almost everything I could hope for.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/1/2021 12:39 PM, jdow wrote:
For that you might also like an R888 so you could watch DC to ultra low infra red and see effects over that entire range. That would be fun, actually, worth dedicating something like a NUC and some form of omnidirectional wide band antenna to capturing the data long term. Something that takes a screenshot every hour or so would store the data nicely. Ah yes, a matrix window with a signal history per window would be ideal for tracking beacons.

{^_^}

On 20210901 09:24:46, Gedas wrote:

I was admiring & appreciating the signal history feature of console and was wondering if there is a way to slow it WAY, WAY down so we could record & display on a single screen, say, 12 hrs worth of activity? This would be most helpful to plot propagation effects such as the CME that will be hitting today or tomorrow.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.




данила фадеев
 

It seems to me that in the amateur radio segment, the most suitable implementation is WSPRnet. The required data is available on the servers of this network. Sometimes I run my local WSPR / FT8 / CW multiband skimmers and feed the data to similar resources, doing my little bit in the propagation prediction :)
Danila

ср, 1 сент. 2021 г. в 23:23, Gedas <w8bya@...>:

Yeah I love the way Simon has that history plot displayed ! It is awesome. Imagine being able to see a full 24 hr of a certain station, like WWV etc and watching it's S/N change throughout the day. Even if you had to give up fine details and if some averaging was performed it would be cool. That kind of data is really cool.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/1/2021 4:10 PM, jdow wrote:
Seeing individual signals would not be the point. Seeing the changes in noise plus signal charted over months and compared with some of the more prestigious prediction programs would be "velly eenterestink".

{^_^}

On 20210901 09:54:19, данила фадеев wrote:
This is implemented in the SDRDataFile Analyzer ("Signal History" option). But it seems to me that the width limit of 10,000 pixels will be irrelevant for bands wider than 2-3 MHz. It is very difficult to see the signals. I am working with old versions SDR-RADIO-Pro_v2.2b1735 and SDR-RADIO-Pro_v2.3b3825.
How to visualize IQ data with resolution in versions 3.xx
10 thousand or more pixels?
  My daily traffic of HF IQ data per day is about 1 terabyte (~ 10 hours of 6MHz bandwidth, in 16-bit resolution)

Danila

Без вирусов. www.avast.ru

ср, 1 сент. 2021 г. в 19:49, Gedas <w8bya@...>:

Agree but it would be so nice to tune to a specific frequency (sometimes up in the HF bands) via console and gather our data w/o additional hardware and/or software. Console does almost everything I could hope for.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 9/1/2021 12:39 PM, jdow wrote:
For that you might also like an R888 so you could watch DC to ultra low infra red and see effects over that entire range. That would be fun, actually, worth dedicating something like a NUC and some form of omnidirectional wide band antenna to capturing the data long term. Something that takes a screenshot every hour or so would store the data nicely. Ah yes, a matrix window with a signal history per window would be ideal for tracking beacons.

{^_^}

On 20210901 09:24:46, Gedas wrote:

I was admiring & appreciating the signal history feature of console and was wondering if there is a way to slow it WAY, WAY down so we could record & display on a single screen, say, 12 hrs worth of activity? This would be most helpful to plot propagation effects such as the CME that will be hitting today or tomorrow.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com (under repair)
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.




myosotis123@...
 

I also think that the Signal History feature is very good.  Small amounts of the data can be exported to Excel or there is a 19 page tutorial by Nils DK8OK on using QtiPlot and three other programs:  https://dk8ok.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/sdr_com_marker.pdf

Sadly, printing Signal History directly uses a lot of ink, even if you reverse the colours, so I have now bought and overhauled an EMI/Field Intensity receiver which has a signal strength output voltage that can be logged on a computer and then printed out with a coloured trace on a white background.

Is it my imagination or is printer ink more expensive than Brandy?

Stay safe and best wishes,

Geoffrey.