Com port pickle


Conrad, PA5Y
 

As this group has a lot of computer savvy people, I hope that you don’t mind me asking a general PC question.

 

I have a lot of COM ports in use, and I just added the FDM-DUO and I need to use OMNIRIG for WSJT-X etc. This means that I must allocate any real physical comports to numbers less than 20. Despite my best-efforts using Device manager and com-0-com and VPSE I seem to have a clash that stops N1MM+ from opening correctly.  I need to re-do everything and document what I have done this time.

 

Is there an application out there that provides a nice  human friendly GUI that shows all com ports virtual or physical?

 

 

73

 

Conrad PA5Y


David Slipper
 

I used "Device Remover" to get rid of some of the COM ports in the huge collection I ended up with.

It has a GUI but it is not particularly friendly and you need to be very careful what you do with it.

Google found me an article about getting rid of hidden com ports.

Dave


On 19/06/2022 09:02, Conrad, PA5Y wrote:

As this group has a lot of computer savvy people, I hope that you don’t mind me asking a general PC question.

 

I have a lot of COM ports in use, and I just added the FDM-DUO and I need to use OMNIRIG for WSJT-X etc. This means that I must allocate any real physical comports to numbers less than 20. Despite my best-efforts using Device manager and com-0-com and VPSE I seem to have a clash that stops N1MM+ from opening correctly.  I need to re-do everything and document what I have done this time.

 

Is there an application out there that provides a nice  human friendly GUI that shows all com ports virtual or physical?

 

 

73

 

Conrad PA5Y


Max
 

I have always used VSP Manager. Has worked flawlessly for me. Just be aware needs to run in "compatibility mode" but it's fine. See SImon's info:

https://www.sdr-radio.com/SerialPort#VSPManager

On this page you can see the GUI that shows physical and software ports.

73

Max


Max
 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:51 PM, Max wrote:
On this page you can see the GUI that shows physical and software ports.
Sorry, just realised the GUI shown in the linked page is Eltima but VSP Manager looks very similar.

See K5FR's own page for the GUI:

http://k5fr.com/DDUtilV3wiki/index.php?title=VSP_Manager

73

Max


Barry Jablonski
 

Another useful tool is ComNameArbiterTool:

https://www.uwe-sieber.de/misc_tools_e.html

It deals with COM Ports (both real and virtual).

Barry
WB2ZXJ


Conrad, PA5Y
 

Hello Max, I use VPSE already, the full fat 64-bit licensed version and have used it for 5 years. That does not help me, it is a virtual com port emulator. The problem I have is finding out what is upsetting N1MM+ contest program which insists that I have duplicate com ports.

 

Too much DX on 6 and 2m to sort this out yesterday but I did download device remover. Meanwhile I just switch off the FDM-DUO and the warning disappears. Windows thinks that there is duplicate port but device manager does not find it.

 

73

 

Conrad PA5Y

 

 

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Max via groups.io
Sent: 19 June 2022 23:53
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle

 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:51 PM, Max wrote:

On this page you can see the GUI that shows physical and software ports.

Sorry, just realised the GUI shown in the linked page is Eltima but VSP Manager looks very similar.

See K5FR's own page for the GUI:

http://k5fr.com/DDUtilV3wiki/index.php?title=VSP_Manager

73

Max


Simon Brown
 

Without looking too hard I see a duplicate COM1 which is most odd as this is usually the legacy port on the motherboard.

I would correctly deinstall all virtual serial port software, check available ports with N1MM, then slowly add them back using only one program, my favourite is com0com. Alternatively check all the software and look at the definitions.

There's at least one program which needs some TLC so that you don't cause this sort of situation.

Try this display in Console, good 'cos it shows the manufacturer (written correctly):



Good luck!


From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of Conrad, PA5Y via groups.io <g0ruz@...>
Sent: 20 June 2022 06:23
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle
 

Hello Max, I use VPSE already, the full fat 64-bit licensed version and have used it for 5 years. That does not help me, it is a virtual com port emulator. The problem I have is finding out what is upsetting N1MM+ contest program which insists that I have duplicate com ports.

 

Too much DX on 6 and 2m to sort this out yesterday but I did download device remover. Meanwhile I just switch off the FDM-DUO and the warning disappears. Windows thinks that there is duplicate port but device manager does not find it.

 

73

 

Conrad PA5Y

 

 

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Max via groups.io
Sent: 19 June 2022 23:53
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle

 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:51 PM, Max wrote:

On this page you can see the GUI that shows physical and software ports.

Sorry, just realised the GUI shown in the linked page is Eltima but VSP Manager looks very similar.

See K5FR's own page for the GUI:

http://k5fr.com/DDUtilV3wiki/index.php?title=VSP_Manager

73

Max


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Radioman ZeroZero
 

Windows device settings allows you  to change the com port number under com ports.
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jdow
 

Talk to the N1MML logger program developer. He has not selected the most reliable way to enumerate serial ports. And just off hand I do not see a duplication in that list. It's not the virtual serial port tool's problem if there really is no duplication present. If there is one it is removable once you know which one it is. His error message will have to be more specific. If he's not developing the program anymore it's time to junk it.

{^_^}

On 20220619 22:23:34, Conrad, PA5Y wrote:

Hello Max, I use VPSE already, the full fat 64-bit licensed version and have used it for 5 years. That does not help me, it is a virtual com port emulator. The problem I have is finding out what is upsetting N1MM+ contest program which insists that I have duplicate com ports.

 

Too much DX on 6 and 2m to sort this out yesterday but I did download device remover. Meanwhile I just switch off the FDM-DUO and the warning disappears. Windows thinks that there is duplicate port but device manager does not find it.

 

73

 

Conrad PA5Y

 

 

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Max via groups.io
Sent: 19 June 2022 23:53
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle

 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:51 PM, Max wrote:

On this page you can see the GUI that shows physical and software ports.

Sorry, just realised the GUI shown in the linked page is Eltima but VSP Manager looks very similar.

See K5FR's own page for the GUI:

http://k5fr.com/DDUtilV3wiki/index.php?title=VSP_Manager

73

Max


Conrad, PA5Y
 

Hello Steve, yes I know. That has been done.

 

73

 

Conrad

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Radioman ZeroZero via groups.io
Sent: 20 June 2022 07:46
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle

 

Windows device settings allows you  to change the com port number under com ports.
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jdow
 

Look closer - that second one is com!8 with the 8 on the next line.

{^_-}

On 20220619 22:44:19, Simon Brown wrote:
Without looking too hard I see a duplicate COM1 which is most odd as this is usually the legacy port on the motherboard.

I would correctly deinstall all virtual serial port software, check available ports with N1MM, then slowly add them back using only one program, my favourite is com0com. Alternatively check all the software and look at the definitions.

There's at least one program which needs some TLC so that you don't cause this sort of situation.

Try this display in Console, good 'cos it shows the manufacturer (written correctly):



Good luck!

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of Conrad, PA5Y via groups.io <g0ruz@...>
Sent: 20 June 2022 06:23
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle
 

Hello Max, I use VPSE already, the full fat 64-bit licensed version and have used it for 5 years. That does not help me, it is a virtual com port emulator. The problem I have is finding out what is upsetting N1MM+ contest program which insists that I have duplicate com ports.

 

Too much DX on 6 and 2m to sort this out yesterday but I did download device remover. Meanwhile I just switch off the FDM-DUO and the warning disappears. Windows thinks that there is duplicate port but device manager does not find it.

 

73

 

Conrad PA5Y

 

 

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Max via groups.io
Sent: 19 June 2022 23:53
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle

 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:51 PM, Max wrote:

On this page you can see the GUI that shows physical and software ports.

Sorry, just realised the GUI shown in the linked page is Eltima but VSP Manager looks very similar.

See K5FR's own page for the GUI:

http://k5fr.com/DDUtilV3wiki/index.php?title=VSP_Manager

73

Max


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Conrad, PA5Y
 

All those ports are used, I have a lot of different configurations. However I will remove everything and start again and perhaps have some kind of structure. For instance, all of the S3 virtual ports are 55-57. I should add that despite N1MM+’s protestations everything works in all other applications.

 

73

 

Conrad

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Simon Brown via groups.io
Sent: 20 June 2022 07:44
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle

 

Without looking too hard I see a duplicate COM1 which is most odd as this is usually the legacy port on the motherboard.

 

I would correctly deinstall all virtual serial port software, check available ports with N1MM, then slowly add them back using only one program, my favourite is com0com. Alternatively check all the software and look at the definitions.

 

There's at least one program which needs some TLC so that you don't cause this sort of situation.

 

Try this display in Console, good 'cos it shows the manufacturer (written correctly):

 

 

Good luck!


From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of Conrad, PA5Y via groups.io <g0ruz@...>
Sent: 20 June 2022 06:23
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle

 

Hello Max, I use VPSE already, the full fat 64-bit licensed version and have used it for 5 years. That does not help me, it is a virtual com port emulator. The problem I have is finding out what is upsetting N1MM+ contest program which insists that I have duplicate com ports.

 

Too much DX on 6 and 2m to sort this out yesterday but I did download device remover. Meanwhile I just switch off the FDM-DUO and the warning disappears. Windows thinks that there is duplicate port but device manager does not find it.

 

73

 

Conrad PA5Y

 

 

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Max via groups.io
Sent: 19 June 2022 23:53
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle

 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:51 PM, Max wrote:

On this page you can see the GUI that shows physical and software ports.

Sorry, just realised the GUI shown in the linked page is Eltima but VSP Manager looks very similar.

See K5FR's own page for the GUI:

http://k5fr.com/DDUtilV3wiki/index.php?title=VSP_Manager

73

Max


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Conrad, PA5Y
 

N1MM+ is under continuous development and has a very active dev team. However I will mention it.

 

Regards

 

Conrad

 

 

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of jdow via groups.io
Sent: 20 June 2022 10:44
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle

 

Talk to the N1MML logger program developer. He has not selected the most reliable way to enumerate serial ports. And just off hand I do not see a duplication in that list. It's not the virtual serial port tool's problem if there really is no duplication present. If there is one it is removable once you know which one it is. His error message will have to be more specific. If he's not developing the program anymore it's time to junk it.

{^_^}

On 20220619 22:23:34, Conrad, PA5Y wrote:

Hello Max, I use VPSE already, the full fat 64-bit licensed version and have used it for 5 years. That does not help me, it is a virtual com port emulator. The problem I have is finding out what is upsetting N1MM+ contest program which insists that I have duplicate com ports.

 

Too much DX on 6 and 2m to sort this out yesterday but I did download device remover. Meanwhile I just switch off the FDM-DUO and the warning disappears. Windows thinks that there is duplicate port but device manager does not find it.

 

73

 

Conrad PA5Y

 

 

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Max via groups.io
Sent: 19 June 2022 23:53
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle

 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:51 PM, Max wrote:

On this page you can see the GUI that shows physical and software ports.

Sorry, just realised the GUI shown in the linked page is Eltima but VSP Manager looks very similar.

See K5FR's own page for the GUI:

http://k5fr.com/DDUtilV3wiki/index.php?title=VSP_Manager

73

Max


Conrad, PA5Y
 

Yes that is COM18, I could not find any duplicate ports, but with the advice on here I have some tools to play with. The SDRC tool is very clear, I am at work today then 3 weeks off 😊

 

Conrad

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of jdow via groups.io
Sent: 20 June 2022 10:45
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle

 

Look closer - that second one is com!8 with the 8 on the next line.

{^_-}

On 20220619 22:44:19, Simon Brown wrote:

Without looking too hard I see a duplicate COM1 which is most odd as this is usually the legacy port on the motherboard.

 

I would correctly deinstall all virtual serial port software, check available ports with N1MM, then slowly add them back using only one program, my favourite is com0com. Alternatively check all the software and look at the definitions.

 

There's at least one program which needs some TLC so that you don't cause this sort of situation.

 

Try this display in Console, good 'cos it shows the manufacturer (written correctly):

 

 

Good luck!


From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of Conrad, PA5Y via groups.io <g0ruz@...>
Sent: 20 June 2022 06:23
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle

 

Hello Max, I use VPSE already, the full fat 64-bit licensed version and have used it for 5 years. That does not help me, it is a virtual com port emulator. The problem I have is finding out what is upsetting N1MM+ contest program which insists that I have duplicate com ports.

 

Too much DX on 6 and 2m to sort this out yesterday but I did download device remover. Meanwhile I just switch off the FDM-DUO and the warning disappears. Windows thinks that there is duplicate port but device manager does not find it.

 

73

 

Conrad PA5Y

 

 

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Max via groups.io
Sent: 19 June 2022 23:53
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle

 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:51 PM, Max wrote:

On this page you can see the GUI that shows physical and software ports.

Sorry, just realised the GUI shown in the linked page is Eltima but VSP Manager looks very similar.

See K5FR's own page for the GUI:

http://k5fr.com/DDUtilV3wiki/index.php?title=VSP_Manager

73

Max


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Dennis Matzen
 

Note sure if you have tried this yet or not. But thought I would suggest it.

You can use device manager to view the COM ports on the system. BUT it may not be telling you the whole story unless it tell it too. There could be "hidden" devices you cannot see. You would think it is as simple as clicking on the "View" menu in device manage and selecting the "Show hidden devices" option. But this does not always show all hidden devices. So try this:

1. Open a DOS window as administrator
2. Enter set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
3. Enter start devmgmt.msc

The device manager will open. But even though you entered the command to show all hidden devices in the DOS window the hidden device will not be shown until you go back to the "View" menu and select "Show hidden devices". This will show ALL hidden devices now.

Now if you see some old ports that do not belong on the system you can delete them.

I added some screen capture to help.
Device manager 1 & 2 are befog using the "set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1" option
Device manager 3 & 4 are after using it.
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KA6FUB


vince battle
 

Thank you

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Dennis Matzen
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 5:00 PM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle

 

Note sure if you have tried this yet or not. But thought I would suggest it.

You can use device manager to view the COM ports on the system. BUT it may not be telling you the whole story unless it tell it too. There could be "hidden" devices you cannot see. You would think it is as simple as clicking on the "View" menu in device manage and selecting the "Show hidden devices" option. But this does not always show all hidden devices. So try this:

1. Open a DOS window as administrator
2. Enter set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
3. Enter start devmgmt.msc

The device manager will open. But even though you entered the command to show all hidden devices in the DOS window the hidden device will not be shown until you go back to the "View" menu and select "Show hidden devices". This will show ALL hidden devices now.

Now if you see some old ports that do not belong on the system you can delete them.

I added some screen capture to help.
Device manager 1 & 2 are befog using the "set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1" option
Device manager 3 & 4 are after using it.
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KA6FUB

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jdow
 

Which strongly suggests they are enumerating serial ports improperly.

{o.o}

On 20220620 16:59:58, Dennis Matzen wrote:
Note sure if you have tried this yet or not. But thought I would suggest it.

You can use device manager to view the COM ports on the system. BUT it may not be telling you the whole story unless it tell it too. There could be "hidden" devices you cannot see. You would think it is as simple as clicking on the "View" menu in device manage and selecting the "Show hidden devices" option. But this does not always show all hidden devices. So try this:

1. Open a DOS window as administrator
2. Enter set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
3. Enter start devmgmt.msc

The device manager will open. But even though you entered the command to show all hidden devices in the DOS window the hidden device will not be shown until you go back to the "View" menu and select "Show hidden devices". This will show ALL hidden devices now.

Now if you see some old ports that do not belong on the system you can delete them.

I added some screen capture to help.
Device manager 1 & 2 are befog using the "set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1" option
Device manager 3 & 4 are after using it.
--
Dennis
KA6FUB
Devive Manager 4.PNG

Devive Manager 3.PNG

Devive Manager 2.PNG

Devive Manager 1.PNG

DOS Window.PNG


Conrad, PA5Y
 

Thanks Dennis.

 

I found the rogue port, it was COM44 which was the device that is now COM6. The problem with N1MM+ is now resolved.

 

Regards

 

Conrad PA5Y

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Matzen via groups.io
Sent: 21 June 2022 02:00
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Com port pickle

 

Note sure if you have tried this yet or not. But thought I would suggest it.

You can use device manager to view the COM ports on the system. BUT it may not be telling you the whole story unless it tell it too. There could be "hidden" devices you cannot see. You would think it is as simple as clicking on the "View" menu in device manage and selecting the "Show hidden devices" option. But this does not always show all hidden devices. So try this:

1. Open a DOS window as administrator
2. Enter set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
3. Enter start devmgmt.msc

The device manager will open. But even though you entered the command to show all hidden devices in the DOS window the hidden device will not be shown until you go back to the "View" menu and select "Show hidden devices". This will show ALL hidden devices now.

Now if you see some old ports that do not belong on the system you can delete them.

I added some screen capture to help.
Device manager 1 & 2 are befog using the "set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1" option
Device manager 3 & 4 are after using it.
--
Dennis
KA6FUB

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