Attenuation


Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU
 

Vince,
I'll be more blunt about my post...
It appears your issues are because you are operating SDRC via a Spyserver. If you ditch the Spyserver and run your equipment via SDRC Server, your issues will be resolved.

Nothing more, nothing less.

73 Kriss KA1GJU


vince battle
 

Kriss,

First, thank you for the hand-holding and blunt comment, I finally got the SDRC server manger to work, night and day results. Thank you again, have a good day.

 

Vincent

 

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From: Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 5:42 AM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Vince,
I'll be more blunt about my post...
It appears your issues are because you are operating SDRC via a Spyserver. If you ditch the Spyserver and run your equipment via SDRC Server, your issues will be resolved.

Nothing more, nothing less.

73 Kriss KA1GJU

 


Gedas
 

Hello gang. Interesting chat about the various settings on different receivers. I know some have already seen this (apologies to you). For those that have not here is a video I made using console with my RSPdx as I put in calibrated signal levels and changed combinations of Visual gain, RF gain and IF gain.


I suggest running the video at 1.5X speed as I tend to put folks to sleep. And pse forgive the jerky video as I was hand holding a camcorder in my left hand.


The very last part of the video was a pleasant surprise as I found a combination that was not only linear in response over a fair range but was accurate to within a dB (absolute).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHJE6wa9dVw

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT Gallery at http://w8bya.com Light travels faster than sound.... This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 11/24/2022 10:45 PM, jdow wrote:

He was going to redo "Visual Gain" to make it a real visual gain control that simply scales the displays. As it is the last I knew the visual gain control was a literal digital gain applied to the entire system which led to some unfortunate behavior. Simon was going to doctor this last I knew. But, I may have missed his actually doing it as I do not think it's been fixed yet.


{^_^}


On 20221124 17:44:05, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

don´t you have also "visual gain" in all sdr used?? that could be done in 1 db steps so finetune of any sdr to correct readings should be possible

if no visual gain in all sdr setups under "radio" settings ... then you could add it where that is missing

rtl for example has fine steps (but not exactly 1 db) and visual gain in 5 db steps

maybe a finer resolution also in visual gain possible instead coarse 5 db steps??

pluto has fine steps on gain AND visual gain (perfect!)

airspy hf+ has preamp on/off, att from 0-48 in 6 db stebs and visual gain in 5 db steps (-40 to +30db) ... also there a finer visual gain could be added in 1 db steps

i think if you have at least the visual gain in fine steps on all different sdr setups a good s meter calibration should be possible on all sdr

and visual gain does not depend on used hardware so change that to finer steps should be easy.. not??

maybe a number box with up down buttons instead a dropdown list?? (just thinking)

dg9bfc sigi

Am 23.11.2022 um 18:16 schrieb Simon Brown:
OK,

Some of these radios have fixed attenuation options, for example NetSDR. HF+ - I'll have to check.

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of vince battle via groups.io <muellertwo@...>
Sent: 23 November 2022 15:34
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation
 

Greetings,

NetSDR, Icom RS-6500 and Airspy Discovery

 

Vincent

 

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From: Simon Brown
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 9:21 PM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Which radio?

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of vince battle via groups.io <muellertwo@...>
Sent: 22 November 2022 22:46
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io>
Subject: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Greetings,
I have always wondered why attenuation settings both hardware and software or in 10db increments and not variable? is this a hardware issue or software issue? Many times, 10-30db increments is too much and something between these settings is better. 

Vincent 


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Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU
 

Vince,
There's a pdf on how to use SDRC via the remote servers and how to set up your own server in the files section. I was there today looking for the one I had posted years ago for the group. This is mostly my work, but somebody added more stuff to it and more graphics, but posted it under my name. lol
https://sdr-radio.groups.io/g/main/files/Version3ServerHelpFiles

It's time for me to do an updated version since some of the stuff has changed since 2/17/2018!!!

73 Kriss KA1gju


vince battle
 

Thank you my friend

 

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From: Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 5:10 PM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Vince,
There's a pdf on how to use SDRC via the remote servers and how to set up your own server in the files section. I was there today looking for the one I had posted years ago for the group. This is mostly my work, but somebody added more stuff to it and more graphics, but posted it under my name. lol
https://sdr-radio.groups.io/g/main/files/Version3ServerHelpFiles

It's time for me to do an updated version since some of the stuff has changed since 2/17/2018!!!

73 Kriss KA1gju

 


vince battle
 

Also THANK you Joanne for explaining why variable attenuators are difficult to implement from manufatures

 

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From: vince battle
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 5:16 PM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Thank you my friend

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 5:10 PM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Vince,
There's a pdf on how to use SDRC via the remote servers and how to set up your own server in the files section. I was there today looking for the one I had posted years ago for the group. This is mostly my work, but somebody added more stuff to it and more graphics, but posted it under my name. lol
https://sdr-radio.groups.io/g/main/files/Version3ServerHelpFiles

It's time for me to do an updated version since some of the stuff has changed since 2/17/2018!!!

73 Kriss KA1gju

 

 


jdow
 

You're pleased. That is, in the end, what matters. I have STRONG opinions about gain and filter distribution. (... and about how an S-Meter should work in dBm mode.) I figure watching somebody else limp in on settings like this is enough to spark a coronary infarction. So I'll pass on viewing it.


{^_^}


On 20221127 16:32:00, Gedas wrote:

Hello gang. Interesting chat about the various settings on different receivers. I know some have already seen this (apologies to you). For those that have not here is a video I made using console with my RSPdx as I put in calibrated signal levels and changed combinations of Visual gain, RF gain and IF gain.


I suggest running the video at 1.5X speed as I tend to put folks to sleep. And pse forgive the jerky video as I was hand holding a camcorder in my left hand.


The very last part of the video was a pleasant surprise as I found a combination that was not only linear in response over a fair range but was accurate to within a dB (absolute).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHJE6wa9dVw

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT Gallery at http://w8bya.com Light travels faster than sound.... This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 11/24/2022 10:45 PM, jdow wrote:

He was going to redo "Visual Gain" to make it a real visual gain control that simply scales the displays. As it is the last I knew the visual gain control was a literal digital gain applied to the entire system which led to some unfortunate behavior. Simon was going to doctor this last I knew. But, I may have missed his actually doing it as I do not think it's been fixed yet.


{^_^}


On 20221124 17:44:05, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

don´t you have also "visual gain" in all sdr used?? that could be done in 1 db steps so finetune of any sdr to correct readings should be possible

if no visual gain in all sdr setups under "radio" settings ... then you could add it where that is missing

rtl for example has fine steps (but not exactly 1 db) and visual gain in 5 db steps

maybe a finer resolution also in visual gain possible instead coarse 5 db steps??

pluto has fine steps on gain AND visual gain (perfect!)

airspy hf+ has preamp on/off, att from 0-48 in 6 db stebs and visual gain in 5 db steps (-40 to +30db) ... also there a finer visual gain could be added in 1 db steps

i think if you have at least the visual gain in fine steps on all different sdr setups a good s meter calibration should be possible on all sdr

and visual gain does not depend on used hardware so change that to finer steps should be easy.. not??

maybe a number box with up down buttons instead a dropdown list?? (just thinking)

dg9bfc sigi

Am 23.11.2022 um 18:16 schrieb Simon Brown:
OK,

Some of these radios have fixed attenuation options, for example NetSDR. HF+ - I'll have to check.

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of vince battle via groups.io <muellertwo@...>
Sent: 23 November 2022 15:34
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation
 

Greetings,

NetSDR, Icom RS-6500 and Airspy Discovery

 

Vincent

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Simon Brown
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 9:21 PM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Which radio?

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of vince battle via groups.io <muellertwo@...>
Sent: 22 November 2022 22:46
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io>
Subject: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Greetings,
I have always wondered why attenuation settings both hardware and software or in 10db increments and not variable? is this a hardware issue or software issue? Many times, 10-30db increments is too much and something between these settings is better. 

Vincent 


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Gedas
 

Don't put words in my mouth. At no point did I say I was pleased. I said that I was surprised to find a setting for RF, IF, and visual gain that did a fair job of reporting the true absolute RF input signal level. And if you did watch the video, in the beginning, I stated that the goal was to simply see if 10 dB changes in RF input level would result in 10 dB changes as reported by console using different RF, IF, and visual gain settings. Nothing more nothing less.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT Gallery at http://w8bya.com Light travels faster than sound.... This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 11/28/2022 12:18 AM, jdow wrote:

You're pleased. That is, in the end, what matters. I have STRONG opinions about gain and filter distribution. (... and about how an S-Meter should work in dBm mode.) I figure watching somebody else limp in on settings like this is enough to spark a coronary infarction. So I'll pass on viewing it.


{^_^}


On 20221127 16:32:00, Gedas wrote:

Hello gang. Interesting chat about the various settings on different receivers. I know some have already seen this (apologies to you). For those that have not here is a video I made using console with my RSPdx as I put in calibrated signal levels and changed combinations of Visual gain, RF gain and IF gain.


I suggest running the video at 1.5X speed as I tend to put folks to sleep. And pse forgive the jerky video as I was hand holding a camcorder in my left hand.


The very last part of the video was a pleasant surprise as I found a combination that was not only linear in response over a fair range but was accurate to within a dB (absolute).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHJE6wa9dVw

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT Gallery at http://w8bya.com Light travels faster than sound.... This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 11/24/2022 10:45 PM, jdow wrote:

He was going to redo "Visual Gain" to make it a real visual gain control that simply scales the displays. As it is the last I knew the visual gain control was a literal digital gain applied to the entire system which led to some unfortunate behavior. Simon was going to doctor this last I knew. But, I may have missed his actually doing it as I do not think it's been fixed yet.


{^_^}


On 20221124 17:44:05, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

don´t you have also "visual gain" in all sdr used?? that could be done in 1 db steps so finetune of any sdr to correct readings should be possible

if no visual gain in all sdr setups under "radio" settings ... then you could add it where that is missing

rtl for example has fine steps (but not exactly 1 db) and visual gain in 5 db steps

maybe a finer resolution also in visual gain possible instead coarse 5 db steps??

pluto has fine steps on gain AND visual gain (perfect!)

airspy hf+ has preamp on/off, att from 0-48 in 6 db stebs and visual gain in 5 db steps (-40 to +30db) ... also there a finer visual gain could be added in 1 db steps

i think if you have at least the visual gain in fine steps on all different sdr setups a good s meter calibration should be possible on all sdr

and visual gain does not depend on used hardware so change that to finer steps should be easy.. not??

maybe a number box with up down buttons instead a dropdown list?? (just thinking)

dg9bfc sigi

Am 23.11.2022 um 18:16 schrieb Simon Brown:
OK,

Some of these radios have fixed attenuation options, for example NetSDR. HF+ - I'll have to check.

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of vince battle via groups.io <muellertwo@...>
Sent: 23 November 2022 15:34
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation
 

Greetings,

NetSDR, Icom RS-6500 and Airspy Discovery

 

Vincent

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Simon Brown
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 9:21 PM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Which radio?

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of vince battle via groups.io <muellertwo@...>
Sent: 22 November 2022 22:46
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io>
Subject: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Greetings,
I have always wondered why attenuation settings both hardware and software or in 10db increments and not variable? is this a hardware issue or software issue? Many times, 10-30db increments is too much and something between these settings is better. 

Vincent 


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jdow
 

Nonetheless, optimum gain setup is unique to the front end and the use. Some need absolute maximum sensitivity and have an environment that supports it. Others have really bad environments and must sacrifice sensitivity (noise figure) for dynamic range. And most are somewhere in the middle.


S-Meter behavior is an ongoing discussion with Simon.


I will note that if you are trying to make SDRC and your front end into a precision instrument I suspect you will find yourself frustrated by odd details of the SDRC DSP implementation This specifically is why I made my comment. It's been litigated before, often, to no avail.


{^_^}


On 20221127 22:07:49, Gedas wrote:

Don't put words in my mouth. At no point did I say I was pleased. I said that I was surprised to find a setting for RF, IF, and visual gain that did a fair job of reporting the true absolute RF input signal level. And if you did watch the video, in the beginning, I stated that the goal was to simply see if 10 dB changes in RF input level would result in 10 dB changes as reported by console using different RF, IF, and visual gain settings. Nothing more nothing less.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT Gallery at http://w8bya.com Light travels faster than sound.... This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 11/28/2022 12:18 AM, jdow wrote:

You're pleased. That is, in the end, what matters. I have STRONG opinions about gain and filter distribution. (... and about how an S-Meter should work in dBm mode.) I figure watching somebody else limp in on settings like this is enough to spark a coronary infarction. So I'll pass on viewing it.


{^_^}


On 20221127 16:32:00, Gedas wrote:

Hello gang. Interesting chat about the various settings on different receivers. I know some have already seen this (apologies to you). For those that have not here is a video I made using console with my RSPdx as I put in calibrated signal levels and changed combinations of Visual gain, RF gain and IF gain.


I suggest running the video at 1.5X speed as I tend to put folks to sleep. And pse forgive the jerky video as I was hand holding a camcorder in my left hand.


The very last part of the video was a pleasant surprise as I found a combination that was not only linear in response over a fair range but was accurate to within a dB (absolute).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHJE6wa9dVw

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT Gallery at http://w8bya.com Light travels faster than sound.... This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 11/24/2022 10:45 PM, jdow wrote:

He was going to redo "Visual Gain" to make it a real visual gain control that simply scales the displays. As it is the last I knew the visual gain control was a literal digital gain applied to the entire system which led to some unfortunate behavior. Simon was going to doctor this last I knew. But, I may have missed his actually doing it as I do not think it's been fixed yet.


{^_^}


On 20221124 17:44:05, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

don´t you have also "visual gain" in all sdr used?? that could be done in 1 db steps so finetune of any sdr to correct readings should be possible

if no visual gain in all sdr setups under "radio" settings ... then you could add it where that is missing

rtl for example has fine steps (but not exactly 1 db) and visual gain in 5 db steps

maybe a finer resolution also in visual gain possible instead coarse 5 db steps??

pluto has fine steps on gain AND visual gain (perfect!)

airspy hf+ has preamp on/off, att from 0-48 in 6 db stebs and visual gain in 5 db steps (-40 to +30db) ... also there a finer visual gain could be added in 1 db steps

i think if you have at least the visual gain in fine steps on all different sdr setups a good s meter calibration should be possible on all sdr

and visual gain does not depend on used hardware so change that to finer steps should be easy.. not??

maybe a number box with up down buttons instead a dropdown list?? (just thinking)

dg9bfc sigi

Am 23.11.2022 um 18:16 schrieb Simon Brown:
OK,

Some of these radios have fixed attenuation options, for example NetSDR. HF+ - I'll have to check.

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of vince battle via groups.io <muellertwo@...>
Sent: 23 November 2022 15:34
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation
 

Greetings,

NetSDR, Icom RS-6500 and Airspy Discovery

 

Vincent

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Simon Brown
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 9:21 PM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Which radio?

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of vince battle via groups.io <muellertwo@...>
Sent: 22 November 2022 22:46
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io>
Subject: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Greetings,
I have always wondered why attenuation settings both hardware and software or in 10db increments and not variable? is this a hardware issue or software issue? Many times, 10-30db increments is too much and something between these settings is better. 

Vincent 


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Gedas
 

NOT nonetheless !


You are erroneously making assumptions followed by false statements about what I want and what I said. I make no statements of what I want other than to satisfy my curiosity to see how my particular SDR and console react to different RF input levels !  At no time do I ever state I am trying to achieve or have found "optimum gain setup" or that I am trying to turn my small SDR & console into a "precision instrument".


Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT Gallery at http://w8bya.com Light travels faster than sound.... This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 11/28/2022 1:27 AM, jdow wrote:

Nonetheless, optimum gain setup is unique to the front end and the use. Some need absolute maximum sensitivity and have an environment that supports it. Others have really bad environments and must sacrifice sensitivity (noise figure) for dynamic range. And most are somewhere in the middle.


S-Meter behavior is an ongoing discussion with Simon.


I will note that if you are trying to make SDRC and your front end into a precision instrument I suspect you will find yourself frustrated by odd details of the SDRC DSP implementation This specifically is why I made my comment. It's been litigated before, often, to no avail.


{^_^}


On 20221127 22:07:49, Gedas wrote:

Don't put words in my mouth. At no point did I say I was pleased. I said that I was surprised to find a setting for RF, IF, and visual gain that did a fair job of reporting the true absolute RF input signal level. And if you did watch the video, in the beginning, I stated that the goal was to simply see if 10 dB changes in RF input level would result in 10 dB changes as reported by console using different RF, IF, and visual gain settings. Nothing more nothing less.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT Gallery at http://w8bya.com Light travels faster than sound.... This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 11/28/2022 12:18 AM, jdow wrote:

You're pleased. That is, in the end, what matters. I have STRONG opinions about gain and filter distribution. (... and about how an S-Meter should work in dBm mode.) I figure watching somebody else limp in on settings like this is enough to spark a coronary infarction. So I'll pass on viewing it.


{^_^}


On 20221127 16:32:00, Gedas wrote:

Hello gang. Interesting chat about the various settings on different receivers. I know some have already seen this (apologies to you). For those that have not here is a video I made using console with my RSPdx as I put in calibrated signal levels and changed combinations of Visual gain, RF gain and IF gain.


I suggest running the video at 1.5X speed as I tend to put folks to sleep. And pse forgive the jerky video as I was hand holding a camcorder in my left hand.


The very last part of the video was a pleasant surprise as I found a combination that was not only linear in response over a fair range but was accurate to within a dB (absolute).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHJE6wa9dVw

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT Gallery at http://w8bya.com Light travels faster than sound.... This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 11/24/2022 10:45 PM, jdow wrote:

He was going to redo "Visual Gain" to make it a real visual gain control that simply scales the displays. As it is the last I knew the visual gain control was a literal digital gain applied to the entire system which led to some unfortunate behavior. Simon was going to doctor this last I knew. But, I may have missed his actually doing it as I do not think it's been fixed yet.


{^_^}


On 20221124 17:44:05, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

don´t you have also "visual gain" in all sdr used?? that could be done in 1 db steps so finetune of any sdr to correct readings should be possible

if no visual gain in all sdr setups under "radio" settings ... then you could add it where that is missing

rtl for example has fine steps (but not exactly 1 db) and visual gain in 5 db steps

maybe a finer resolution also in visual gain possible instead coarse 5 db steps??

pluto has fine steps on gain AND visual gain (perfect!)

airspy hf+ has preamp on/off, att from 0-48 in 6 db stebs and visual gain in 5 db steps (-40 to +30db) ... also there a finer visual gain could be added in 1 db steps

i think if you have at least the visual gain in fine steps on all different sdr setups a good s meter calibration should be possible on all sdr

and visual gain does not depend on used hardware so change that to finer steps should be easy.. not??

maybe a number box with up down buttons instead a dropdown list?? (just thinking)

dg9bfc sigi

Am 23.11.2022 um 18:16 schrieb Simon Brown:
OK,

Some of these radios have fixed attenuation options, for example NetSDR. HF+ - I'll have to check.

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of vince battle via groups.io <muellertwo@...>
Sent: 23 November 2022 15:34
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation
 

Greetings,

NetSDR, Icom RS-6500 and Airspy Discovery

 

Vincent

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Simon Brown
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 9:21 PM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Which radio?

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of vince battle via groups.io <muellertwo@...>
Sent: 22 November 2022 22:46
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io>
Subject: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Greetings,
I have always wondered why attenuation settings both hardware and software or in 10db increments and not variable? is this a hardware issue or software issue? Many times, 10-30db increments is too much and something between these settings is better. 

Vincent 


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Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU
 

You wouldn't happen to have an RSPA 1A in your arsenal? Would be interesting to see just how poorly I operate mine.
I still have one left on my server, but I'd rather use the Airspy HF Discovery to to less fiddling to get 'decent' results.
Plus the three other SDR's on that server have to have an AM BC filter since the RSPA1A gets swamped with images. Lightning
took the other two our years ago. LOL
They'll be no tears shed when I can remove it and the AM BC filter it requires on "KA1GJU Super Station #2" and allow users to use that site for AM DXing.
The RF Gain in the radio settings are vastly different, mine only has 0 thru 9 and not linear, hence my asking. Plus the IF Gain has to be in Manual or there will be serious pumping of the AGC if any strong signals appear in the band.

73 Kriss KA1GJU


Brent Seres/ VE3CUS
 

I have an RSP2 and I had to build a notch filter to eliminate overload from our local 800 khz station.





jdow
 

I'm done. You're touchier than I usually am.


{+_+}


On 20221128 06:11:17, Gedas wrote:

NOT nonetheless !


You are erroneously making assumptions followed by false statements about what I want and what I said. I make no statements of what I want other than to satisfy my curiosity to see how my particular SDR and console react to different RF input levels !  At no time do I ever state I am trying to achieve or have found "optimum gain setup" or that I am trying to turn my small SDR & console into a "precision instrument".


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On 11/28/2022 1:27 AM, jdow wrote:

Nonetheless, optimum gain setup is unique to the front end and the use. Some need absolute maximum sensitivity and have an environment that supports it. Others have really bad environments and must sacrifice sensitivity (noise figure) for dynamic range. And most are somewhere in the middle.


S-Meter behavior is an ongoing discussion with Simon.


I will note that if you are trying to make SDRC and your front end into a precision instrument I suspect you will find yourself frustrated by odd details of the SDRC DSP implementation This specifically is why I made my comment. It's been litigated before, often, to no avail.


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On 20221127 22:07:49, Gedas wrote:

Don't put words in my mouth. At no point did I say I was pleased. I said that I was surprised to find a setting for RF, IF, and visual gain that did a fair job of reporting the true absolute RF input signal level. And if you did watch the video, in the beginning, I stated that the goal was to simply see if 10 dB changes in RF input level would result in 10 dB changes as reported by console using different RF, IF, and visual gain settings. Nothing more nothing less.

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On 11/28/2022 12:18 AM, jdow wrote:

You're pleased. That is, in the end, what matters. I have STRONG opinions about gain and filter distribution. (... and about how an S-Meter should work in dBm mode.) I figure watching somebody else limp in on settings like this is enough to spark a coronary infarction. So I'll pass on viewing it.


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On 20221127 16:32:00, Gedas wrote:

Hello gang. Interesting chat about the various settings on different receivers. I know some have already seen this (apologies to you). For those that have not here is a video I made using console with my RSPdx as I put in calibrated signal levels and changed combinations of Visual gain, RF gain and IF gain.


I suggest running the video at 1.5X speed as I tend to put folks to sleep. And pse forgive the jerky video as I was hand holding a camcorder in my left hand.


The very last part of the video was a pleasant surprise as I found a combination that was not only linear in response over a fair range but was accurate to within a dB (absolute).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHJE6wa9dVw

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On 11/24/2022 10:45 PM, jdow wrote:

He was going to redo "Visual Gain" to make it a real visual gain control that simply scales the displays. As it is the last I knew the visual gain control was a literal digital gain applied to the entire system which led to some unfortunate behavior. Simon was going to doctor this last I knew. But, I may have missed his actually doing it as I do not think it's been fixed yet.


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On 20221124 17:44:05, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

don´t you have also "visual gain" in all sdr used?? that could be done in 1 db steps so finetune of any sdr to correct readings should be possible

if no visual gain in all sdr setups under "radio" settings ... then you could add it where that is missing

rtl for example has fine steps (but not exactly 1 db) and visual gain in 5 db steps

maybe a finer resolution also in visual gain possible instead coarse 5 db steps??

pluto has fine steps on gain AND visual gain (perfect!)

airspy hf+ has preamp on/off, att from 0-48 in 6 db stebs and visual gain in 5 db steps (-40 to +30db) ... also there a finer visual gain could be added in 1 db steps

i think if you have at least the visual gain in fine steps on all different sdr setups a good s meter calibration should be possible on all sdr

and visual gain does not depend on used hardware so change that to finer steps should be easy.. not??

maybe a number box with up down buttons instead a dropdown list?? (just thinking)

dg9bfc sigi

Am 23.11.2022 um 18:16 schrieb Simon Brown:
OK,

Some of these radios have fixed attenuation options, for example NetSDR. HF+ - I'll have to check.

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of vince battle via groups.io <muellertwo@...>
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Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation
 

Greetings,

NetSDR, Icom RS-6500 and Airspy Discovery

 

Vincent

 

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From: Simon Brown
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 9:21 PM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Which radio?

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To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io>
Subject: [SDR-Radio] Attenuation

 

Greetings,
I have always wondered why attenuation settings both hardware and software or in 10db increments and not variable? is this a hardware issue or software issue? Many times, 10-30db increments is too much and something between these settings is better. 

Vincent 


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