Backup All Settings and Configurations
Vincenzo Mone
Hello to the list, I am having problems with an Plantronics Audio 655 DSP Headphones on the SDR Console. The problem is that whatever I try to do: Speak, TUNE, or TONE, on QO-100, I hear it crackling ( what could it be?). I have tried to use it with the Windows Recorder program and the audio is clear without any disturb. I have the problem just with the SDR-Console. I have tried to install the program on another PC and After made the settings, that I am not sure that it is set how is set on the first PC, I have tried The headphone and it worked perfectly so now I am again at the beginner. My question is: It is possible to save all the settings and configurations from the first PC and restore the same settings and configuration to the second one? If yes please which is the correct procedure. Thanks in advance for any help
73 de Enzo IK8OZV ****** GSM +39 328 7110193 ****** ***** SMS +39 328 7110193 ***** *********************************
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Max
Hi Enzo
Send a full screenshot of the problematic set-up including both RX and TX DSP, with TX DSP showing the mic input. Have you got a stable source selected to the mic input? Having no input or poor quality source on this input also affects the Tune and Tone functions as it's used for clocking of some sort for all the TX functions. https://www.sdr-radio.com/screenshot In screenshot, make sure TX DSP is scrolled to make all audio input settings visible. 73 Max |
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Vincenzo Mone
Max, Thanks for Your reply. Will you please tell me where to go for the screenshots configurations You need? Thanks
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Siegfried Jackstien
there is no easy way to save and restore ALL settings from one pc to the other (some things are stored into the registry ... some are saved in user files) ..... try to set the headphone in a different usb socket (or the pluto)
... its a timing issue so lower your pc load also such things as virus scanner, or other software running in background may slow down the pc to having interruptions in the audio stream towards your pluto so at first .. switch off all not needed things .. then try around with the usb ports used a slow usb device that shares controller with a faster device... may put that fast device on handbreak (slows it down) sometimes it even helps to switch the mouse or keyboard to a different usb port ... or another soundcard connected to same port (controlleer) but
with different speed?? another problem on your setup is that the plantronics has 44.1kc .. but its better to switch all soundcards to 48kc on your laptop maybe fewer things are running in parallel (so resampling plus sending data to pluto works without breaks) on your desktop you have a lot more things connected and running.. and then resampling and sending the stream towards pluto works with only short breaks (that crackling you hear) at best .. do not use that plantronics with builtin soudcard (with its fixed 44.1kc) but use a cheap headset with 2x 3.5mm plugs ... and a 5 bucks sound dongle or the onboard soundcard switch all soundcards to the same 48kc speed (reduced cpu resampling work) and ... you can try to rearrangw what is connected to what usb
socket on the desktop (swap them around and do a reboot then try
again) dg9bfc sigi
Am 01.10.2022 um 22:45 schrieb Vincenzo
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Max
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 11:44 AM, Vincenzo Mone wrote:
Hi Enzo All the information to take a screenshot are in the link I posted to the SDR Console main support website: https://www.sdr-radio.com/screenshot When you take it make sure to leave "Home" tab selected in the ribbon bar and that TX DSP panel is open and showing the input selection. Do not edit or crop the screenshot and be sure to take screenshot when the radio is in the "fault" condition, one with "Tune" selected and one not transmitting so that we can see input source selector. For the screenshot in "Tune" TX mode, scroll the TX DSP panel if necessary to be sure that the "Spectrum" scope is visible at the bottom of the TX DSP panel and showing the Tone. I've attached my own screenshot in the same condition to help. I've got Drive set to zero to prevent TX but that's fine because the Drive level is irrelevant (IMO). So attach two screenshots but with one in Tune and one not in TX at all so that we can see input source selector. 73 Max |
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Vincenzo Mone
Max,
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Apologies but I cannot understand how you can understand the problem with screenshots as my problem is not visible but audible. I can just say that the problem does not pop up if in the microphone pull-down it is not selected the Plantronics Headphones even if plugged in the USB port. If you need more informations just ask. Thanks for your helps Inviato da iPhone Il giorno 2 ott 2022, alle ore 15:50, Max <radiomax@...> ha scritto:
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Vincenzo Mone
Hello Sigi, how I said to Max, this evening I have noticed that if in the pull-down list of the Microphone, I do not select Plantronics Headphones but other microphone, I do not get the issue even if the Headphones is plugged into the USB port and even if in the audio Pull-Down list I select as speaker the Plantronics Headphones. Thanks
73 de Enzo IK8OZV ****** GSM +39 328 7110193 ****** ***** SMS +39 328 7110193 ***** *********************************
Da: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> Per conto di Siegfried Jackstien
there is no easy way to save and restore ALL settings from one pc to the other (some things are stored into the registry ... some are saved in user files) ..... try to set the headphone in a different usb socket (or the pluto) ... its a timing issue so lower your pc load also such things as virus scanner, or other software running in background may slow down the pc to having interruptions in the audio stream towards your pluto so at first .. switch off all not needed things .. then try around with the usb ports used a slow usb device that shares controller with a faster device... may put that fast device on handbreak (slows it down) sometimes it even helps to switch the mouse or keyboard to a different usb port ... or another soundcard connected to same port (controlleer) but with different speed?? another problem on your setup is that the plantronics has 44.1kc .. but its better to switch all soundcards to 48kc on your laptop maybe fewer things are running in parallel (so resampling plus sending data to pluto works without breaks) on your desktop you have a lot more things connected and running.. and then resampling and sending the stream towards pluto works with only short breaks (that crackling you hear) at best .. do not use that plantronics with builtin soudcard (with its fixed 44.1kc) but use a cheap headset with 2x 3.5mm plugs ... and a 5 bucks sound dongle or the onboard soundcard switch all soundcards to the same 48kc speed (reduced cpu resampling work) and ... you can try to rearrangw what is connected to what usb socket on the desktop (swap them around and do a reboot then try again) dg9bfc sigi
Am 01.10.2022 um 22:45 schrieb Vincenzo Mone:
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jdow
Also make sure the default sample rates are all set to 48 ksps. Mixing 44.1 and 48 can cause problems. If you have to change the setting close all programs that use audio and open one that you know prefers 48 ksps first. Then open the other programs. (Off hand I don't know of a way for a user to ask the audio device what sample rate it is running natively. It uses resampling when required to match the rate at which it was first opened the last time I fiddled with it. On many device drivers the resampling between 44.1 ksps and 48 ksps can be pretty wretched.) {^_^} On 20221002 02:28:48, Max wrote:
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Siegfried Jackstien
and here we go ... plantronics headset has fixed 44.1 :-( i told to enzo that its bad to have 44.1 kc it worked with a different headset (and a soundcard with 48kc!!) dg9bfc sigi
Am 02.10.2022 um 22:27 schrieb jdow:
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Siegfried Jackstien
repeat ... sampling of 48kc is a must .. basta :-) resampling from 44.1kc makes problems plantronics has 44.1 fixed .. so not good for sdrc sometimes it may work but in many cases it does not so plantronics >> is not good ... now clear? dg9bfc sigi
Am 02.10.2022 um 20:03 schrieb Vincenzo
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jdow
I suspect this might be an extra-stupid limitation of blue tooth audio. {o.o} On 20221002 13:40:28, Siegfried
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Max
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 06:58 PM, Vincenzo Mone wrote:
Apologies but I cannot understand how you can understand the problem with screenshots as my problem is not visible but audible.Looks like you found the issue was as we suspected. Problem with the mic source as per the other comments. Screenshot always valuable in confirming input sources set correctly and also no other settings that might cause a problem. But in your case looks like it's as we originally suspected...... an issue with the stability of the source (or in this case a problematic sample rate of 44.1 kHz). Glad you confirmed it. Now to find a way to fix it. For audio input I use Behringer USB audio interface and a good quality dynamic microphone and separate speakers/headphones: https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0BCG These types of audio interface (there are lots of others) are relatively cheap on Amazon. Good luck. Max |
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Max
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 09:27 PM, jdow wrote:
On many device drivers the resampling between 44.1 ksps and 48 ksps can be pretty wretched.)Joanne, do you mean it's not likely to be good to use a VAC to translate between 44.1 and 48 as per attached image? Max |
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jdow
Try it but don't count on it working. The automatic resampling Windows applies when multiple programs are connected at different rates is what I am speaking of. These days most audio devices, motherboard, PSI(e) plug-in, or USB run at 48.0 ksps internally. So 44.1 is a bit of a nastiness sometimes. {^_^} On 20221002 14:43:17, Max wrote:
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Siegfried Jackstien
i have a set of bt speakers (running in the kitchen) they have about 160ms latency so i had to "delay" the other soundcards a bit to be in sync on all of them and cause it is on the speaker side it does not make any problems on pluto tx but a microphone running at 44.1 is bad cause the pluto uses the 48kc as "tx clock" so to speak resampling on the tx end is bad .. on the rx end its no problem here cause that is all behind the mixer software and does not hurt the tx clock stability (sampling clock) so to say it short ... plantronics >> to the bin any 5 bucks soundcard dongle with a 5 bucks headset will work better (as long it supports 48kc ... but most sc dongles do) dg9bfc sigi Am 02.10.2022 um 22:47 schrieb jdow:
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Vincenzo Mone
Max, thanks for Your response. This morning I have noticed that if I have the Headphone just plugged into the USB port And in the SDR Console is not selected in the Microphone Drop list, Sending the TONE or the Tune, the issue does not jump out. Only if selected it jumps out. Also what I cannot understand is why before it worked without the issue? I have just disassembled and reassembled my station for Maintenance and nothing has been changed since there. Thanks
73 de Enzo IK8OZV ****** GSM +39 328 7110193 ****** ***** SMS +39 328 7110193 ***** *********************************
Da: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> Per conto di Max
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 06:58 PM, Vincenzo Mone wrote:
Looks like you found the issue was as we suspected. Problem with the mic source as per the other comments. Screenshot always valuable in confirming input sources set correctly and also no other settings that might cause a problem. But in your case looks like it's as we originally suspected...... an issue with the stability of the source (or in this case a problematic sample rate of 44.1 kHz). |
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Max
On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 07:47 AM, Vincenzo Mone wrote:
Hi Enzo I have no idea why it worked before and not now! Seems whichever way you do it it would be better to have a 48kHz source on the SDRC mic input (see posts by others) or at least try to convert Plantronics mic 44.1 kHz output to 48kHz by routing through a VAC or free VB-Audio virtual cable set to 44.1kHz on input and 48kHz on output (see my last post) although Sigi seems to think this is not a great idea. All I can say is try it and see what happens. https://vb-audio.com/Cable/ 73 Max |
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Siegfried Jackstien
please understand that the 44.1 kc sampling speed is not good ... so plantronics is not good in some cases it may work but as can be seen in your case it makes trouble #plantronicsforthebin dg9bfc sigi Am 03.10.2022 um 08:47 schrieb Vincenzo
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Conrad, PA5Y
Sample rate conversion was terrible for earlier versions of windows but these days the SRC artefacts are quite low level. Significant for weak signal reception perhaps but easily good enough for microphone TX audio.
So this is old news and not so relevant anymore.
Get audacity (free audio editor) and set the project rate to 48kHz and record audio from the Plantronics headset. It will use windows native sample rate conversion an I expect that it will be fine. Certainly if this IS the problem then it will show it. The most likely issue is buffers.
Regards
Conrad PA5Y
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and here we go ... plantronics headset has fixed 44.1 :-( i told to enzo that its bad to have 44.1 kc it worked with a different headset (and a soundcard with 48kc!!) dg9bfc sigi
Am 02.10.2022 um 22:27 schrieb jdow:
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Vincenzo Mone
Hello Max, you said try to convert Plantronics mic 44.1 kHz output to 48kHz by routing through a VAC or free VB-Audio virtual cable set to 44.1kHz on input and 48kHz on output. Will you please tell me how to do it? I cannot see the panel that you have attached. I ran the program called VBCABLE_ControlPanel.exe and get this:
Please how to try? Thanks
73 de Enzo IK8OZV ****** GSM +39 328 7110193 ****** ***** SMS +39 328 7110193 ***** *********************************
Da: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> Per conto di Max
On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 07:47 AM, Vincenzo Mone wrote:
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