FunCube Dongle ProPlus noise and RFI improvements. Tips please.
jdow
Should have said "through" instead of around. {o.o} On 20220924 04:01:07, jdow wrote:
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jdow
Good point. Wrap antenna feed or USB feed several times around a 3/4" clamp on bead with the suggested foil wrap. If that works even minor miracles make it permanent. If not you've saved yourself some work. Outside noise picked up on the antenna is your biggest problem. {o.o} On 20220924 03:11:37, Dirk wrote:
Mostly the RFI comes in through the antenna and USB ports. |
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Mostly the RFI comes in through the antenna and USB ports.
So before you build a "RFI enclosure" check how much RFI comes into the ports. What I would do: Choose a reception situation with some RFI. Write down SNR and noise level. Wrap some aluminum foil round the dongle with contact to GND of the USB and SMA plug. Eventually try 2 other variants: with contact of the foil only to the SMA OR only to USB plug. Write down the SNR, noise level. Compare. If there are no relevant improvements with the foil: forget the "RFI enclosure". Instead improve the RFI input from USB and possibly improve the antenna. There are multiple options. |
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jdow
There is a very basic point regarding ground to get straight
before you go further. Ground is not ground. It is NOT what comes
to your mind unbidden. It is not a giant unipotential plane of
unobtainium perfect conductor within your shack. Even a perfect
conductor does not make a ground pane. You might as well consider
everything is floating and one point is picked as a reference for
all other voltages including that ground on the schematic that is
2" away from the one you picked as a reference. The speed of light
sees to that. Look at all the fancy loops in your system from the
small one around the edges of your enclosure. Some are small. Some
are large. ALL pick up energy one way or another, which segues us
to another consideration. Another thing to consider is that wires do not carry the energy
in the system. Fields are everything in electronics. The wires
properties guide the fields. That is why loops pick radiate and
pick up energy. This is as true at 20 Hz as at cosmic ray
frequencies and all in between. So you want to make the loops you
can find in your system as small as possible and, where
appropriate, as high impedance as possible. This latter point is
critical with the giant loop that forms your "ground" from the
electrical circuit breaker cabinet through your ham gear to your
grounded antenna (for lightning reasons at least) and back through
the earth, if nothing else. Clamp-on ferrite beads are some of
your best friends. They raise the losses within your big loops,
such as the power cords and antenna leads in your system. Model it
however well or crudely as you choose. Look for places that will
increase the impedance to reduce the circulating currents. And you
might also look for ways to provide a low impedance from end to
end of your box. (And pick the ferrites to be optimum for the
frequency range(s) of interest. A bead that looks like 200 ohms at
200 MHz is probably worth less than nothing at mid-HF and down.) Addressing a specific issue - USB and SMA sockets - are you doing a relay out on the funcube? If not you are kinda stuck there. You MAY do better with the USB shield grounded to the RFI enclosure as is the SMA socket. Small is likely better than a nice big 10" cube for this. Ferrite beads on both ends go a long way towards making the box as close to unipotential as possible. This means you have a better chance that the ground conductor in the USB cable is closer to the chassis potential than without the ferrite bead. Less unwanted energy couples into the funcube board. That is good. Short cables sound nice. A longer cable can be wound around larger beads, such as needed at say 3 MHz, for better isolation. Shielded is good. Drain wire - it may help bridge gaps. I am not sure it does much more for a good cable shield. For a make it yourself box use double sided copper clad PCB material and solder the sides. Laptop running on battery can go a long way towards breaking that big ground loop that includes the antenna feed. There is still some capacitance to ground. But, it is a small effect. Soldering PCB copper to PCB copper does not require a wrist strap unless you are into the oxygen free cable nonsense. {o.o} On 20220924 02:07:51, David Coles
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David Coles
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