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Steve . . . WW1SS
Having a hard time finding the Behringer CMD PL-1 controller. What other controllers are compatible with SDR Console?? Will a new Behringer work.
Thanks and 73 . . . WW1SS . . . Steve
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Hello Steve
in principle (or better say in fact) you can use ANY midi deck
use one that fits your needs ... as an example i wanted one with
only ONE turn wheel (vfo) not two ... and with just a few buttons
(and not a dozen of turn knobs that are unused)
see my layout in the picture
... ok to answer your question ... yes a new behringer will work
(and a dozen others)
greetz sigi dg9bfc
Am 16.11.2021 um 13:40 schrieb WW1SS. .
. Steve via groups.io:
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Having a hard time finding the Behringer CMD PL-1 controller. What
other controllers are compatible with SDR Console?? Will a new
Behringer work.
Thanks and 73 . . . WW1SS . . . Steve
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Steve . . . WW1SS
Which one are you using??
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Hi Steve
Mine is an EKS XP-5 ... (a bit older ... can sometimes be found
used for a few bucks in evilbay)
Half of the buttons got an autorepeat ... if you want to tune in
1 kc steps, only holding of the button is needed (not pushing and
pushing and pu...wearing out the buttons)
as an example you want to change drive from 50 to 70 ... no need
to push +DRV 20 times ... push once and hold for a while
that ekx has a nice graphical editor. Any button can play any
midinote, with or without autorepeat, single action or range
(button or turn knob/slider) and if you are crazy you can combine
buttons
only one slider and one wheel?? no problem .. you can COMBINE
buttons (with other buttons, with the wheel, or with the slider)
say simon adds RIT (and no free know cause THERe ARE NO TURN
KNOBS ...
configure a "switch wheel to rit" button ... push button and turn
wheel (changes rit) ... release button wheel is again normal vfo
for now i only combined the touch sensor with the wheel (100hz
and 10hz steps), but other things could be added
greetz sigi dg9bfc
ps if you find one used ... drop me a mail to get driver and
presets and mappings , READY TO USE!!
Am 16.11.2021 um 15:21 schrieb WW1SS. .
. Steve via groups.io:
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Which one are you using??
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Bill Walch
I found one out of Canada, but the
store said the can't ship to the US.
On 11/16/2021 7:40 AM, WW1SS. . . Steve via groups.io wrote:
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Having a hard time finding the Behringer CMD PL-1 controller. What
other controllers are compatible with SDR Console?? Will a new
Behringer work.
Thanks and 73 . . . WW1SS . . . Steve
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BobS
Does SDR-Console support any keyboard shortcuts, like + or - or such, to allow for tuning? I ask because I use the Griffin PowerMate for many radio programs as a tuning knob and also to change modes or frequency steps if the program has a shortcut. While no longer in production, they can be found on the secondary market. It works fine with Windows 11.
However, I cannot seem to find any direct keyboard shortcuts to use with SDR-Console. What I do is daisy-chain another radio control program into SDR-Console via the Kenwood CAT emulation.
It is quite nice to have a bona fide tuning knob. It's simply a better interface than a mouse or keyboard.
Bob, W4RLS
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On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM, BobS wrote:
Does SDR-Console support any keyboard shortcuts, like + or - or such, to allow for tuning?
With the cursor placed over the spectrum or waterfall display, keyboard arrow/cursor keys left/right (normal steps) and up/down (x10). Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with adding? https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning73 Max
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From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Max
Sent: 18 November 2021 08:49
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Midi Controllers On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM, BobS wrote: Does SDR-Console support any keyboard shortcuts, like + or - or such, to allow for tuning?
With the cursor placed over the spectrum or waterfall display, keyboard arrow/cursor keys left/right (normal steps) and up/down (x10).
Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with adding?
https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning
73
Max -- - + - + -
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Bill Walch
In a similar vein, there's an old MS
Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted old keyboard, and with
a little DIY ingenuity, you could construct a fully functional
cockpit controls array (hundreds of options with keyboard key
mapping, Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was possible because MSFS
used keyboard controls extensively. Way too cumbersome and
convoluted to click on each option.
Here too, SDRC "could" do the same thing, with keyboard
assignments to the various options, freq controls, modes, etc. I
of course realize that this could potentially be a big coding
project in and of itself (I've done it myself), but in the end,
using a USB based device that's already mapped in Windows, it's
just adding the code to recognize a specific keystroke, same as
that to react to a mouse click / wheel turn.
Back in ancient times of radio, DIY was the only way to get on the
air. Yes it was a challenge, but that's what made it fun and a
great hobby in the first place. This could also put the MIDI
controller debate to sleep.
Bill
On 11/18/2021 12:51 PM, Simon Brown wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Agreed.
Simon Brown, G4ELI
https://www.sdr-radio.com
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM, BobS
wrote:
Does SDR-Console support any keyboard
shortcuts, like + or - or such, to allow for tuning?
With the cursor placed over the spectrum or
waterfall display, keyboard arrow/cursor keys left/right
(normal steps) and up/down (x10).
Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with adding?
https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning
73
Max
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buy a midi deck
assign functions
done
dg9bfc sigi
Am 18.11.2021 um 22:23 schrieb Bill
Walch:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
In a similar vein, there's an old MS
Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted old keyboard, and
with a little DIY ingenuity, you could construct a fully
functional cockpit controls array (hundreds of options with
keyboard key mapping, Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was possible
because MSFS used keyboard controls extensively. Way too
cumbersome and convoluted to click on each option.
Here too, SDRC "could" do the same thing, with keyboard
assignments to the various options, freq controls, modes, etc. I
of course realize that this could potentially be a big coding
project in and of itself (I've done it myself), but in the end,
using a USB based device that's already mapped in Windows, it's
just adding the code to recognize a specific keystroke, same as
that to react to a mouse click / wheel turn.
Back in ancient times of radio, DIY was the only way to get on
the air. Yes it was a challenge, but that's what made it fun and
a great hobby in the first place. This could also put the MIDI
controller debate to sleep.
Bill
On 11/18/2021 12:51 PM, Simon Brown wrote:
Agreed.
Simon Brown, G4ELI
https://www.sdr-radio.com
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM, BobS
wrote:
Does SDR-Console support any keyboard
shortcuts, like + or - or such, to allow for tuning?
With the cursor placed over the spectrum
or waterfall display, keyboard arrow/cursor keys left/right
(normal steps) and up/down (x10).
Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with adding?
https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning
73
Max
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Hi Sigi,
Could you recommend a midi desk supplier? I have dealt with this
device but would like to try. Please provide maker and model
number please? where to buy such device? cheers Mike VK4SY
On 19/11/2021 08:03, Siegfried
Jackstien wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
buy a midi deck
assign functions
done
dg9bfc sigi
Am 18.11.2021 um 22:23 schrieb Bill
Walch:
In a similar vein, there's an old
MS Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted old keyboard,
and with a little DIY ingenuity, you could construct a fully
functional cockpit controls array (hundreds of options with
keyboard key mapping, Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was possible
because MSFS used keyboard controls extensively. Way too
cumbersome and convoluted to click on each option.
Here too, SDRC "could" do the same thing, with keyboard
assignments to the various options, freq controls, modes, etc.
I of course realize that this could potentially be a big
coding project in and of itself (I've done it myself), but in
the end, using a USB based device that's already mapped in
Windows, it's just adding the code to recognize a specific
keystroke, same as that to react to a mouse click / wheel
turn.
Back in ancient times of radio, DIY was the only way to get on
the air. Yes it was a challenge, but that's what made it fun
and a great hobby in the first place. This could also put the
MIDI controller debate to sleep.
Bill
On 11/18/2021 12:51 PM, Simon Brown wrote:
Agreed.
Simon Brown, G4ELI
https://www.sdr-radio.com
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM, BobS
wrote:
Does SDR-Console support any keyboard
shortcuts, like + or - or such, to allow for tuning?
With the cursor placed over the
spectrum or waterfall display, keyboard arrow/cursor keys
left/right (normal steps) and up/down (x10).
Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with adding?
https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning
73
Max
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Hi MIke,
in sdr console you can make ANY midi deck to work, so you have to
look what deck fits your needs. How many turn knobs, vfo wheels,
buttons do you want?
i use an EKS XP-5 that found used on evilbay. I did not want to
have TWO wheels so i searched for a deck with just a single wheel
for vfo control.
and ... i did not want to have lots of unused buttons/knobs so i
took the xp5 (it has enough buttons for MY needs)
so ... at first think about what functions do you want on the
deck (look what functions Simon implemented in console!!)
Take a picture of the deck you plan to use, and make a similar
picture as i have added to this mail. Then you know if it fits
your needs or if you should look for a different deck.
Other users of console have a Behringer or similar deck with TWO
turn wheels (fine and coarse tune) but i just need 100 and 10hz
steps on a single wheel and i do 1kc and 10kc steps with buttons,
that i reconfigured with the midi deck editor to act "like" a turn
wheel. (with added autorepeat)
Repeat ... ANY midi controller works or can be made to work.
In sdr console is a "learning" function for midi. Select the
function that you want to assign (here in my example the turn
wheel for vfo) and turn the wheel or press the button. Press "ok"
to save the function. Do that with all buttons and sliders/turn
knobs on your deck. DONE!
My midi deck has a nice editor, where you can edit every button
or slider (what note to send on what button). Other decks have all
buttons "fixed" (no editor). So ... look what functions do you
need/want on the deck, then look if you find a dj deck that fits
your needs (at best a unit that comes WITH an editor for such
things like autorepeat etc).
I can not recommend any special deck (besides mine, cause that
works superb). Ask in the sdr radio group what others are using
and what were their findings. And then think what YOU want on your
deck. A few "spare" buttons are ok (maybe Simon adds new functions
later).
Where to buy?? EVILBAY ... or a shop where professional musicians
and dj buy their stuff (sure a bit more expensive then).
What to buy?? See above. I do not know what YOU want to be used
on your deck, if you want one or two turn wheels, if you want
buttons with "backlight" (yes some dj deck has lamps below the
buttons) ... if you want a small (mini) dj deck (to save room on
your desk and use just minimal functions) ... or a bigger one
(more weight and more buttons)
So... do not rely on MY findings only ... ask here in the group
what others are using and what they like (or do not like) on their
decks. How heavy (or not) the deck is, if it comes with or without
an editor, how "robust" (or not) the deck feels, if they would buy
it again etc etc etc.
Greetz sigi dg9bfc
ps if you get a used xp5 then drop me a mail .. i can then send
you the driver and mappings/presets that i use here ... saves you
4 days of work hi hi
Am 18.11.2021 um 23:45 schrieb vk3xz:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Hi Sigi,
Could you recommend a midi desk supplier? I have dealt with
this device but would like to try. Please provide maker and
model number please? where to buy such device? cheers Mike VK4SY
On 19/11/2021 08:03, Siegfried
Jackstien wrote:
buy a midi deck
assign functions
done
dg9bfc sigi
Am 18.11.2021 um 22:23 schrieb Bill
Walch:
In a similar vein, there's an old
MS Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted old keyboard,
and with a little DIY ingenuity, you could construct a fully
functional cockpit controls array (hundreds of options with
keyboard key mapping, Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was
possible because MSFS used keyboard controls extensively.
Way too cumbersome and convoluted to click on each option.
Here too, SDRC "could" do the same thing, with keyboard
assignments to the various options, freq controls, modes,
etc. I of course realize that this could potentially be a
big coding project in and of itself (I've done it myself),
but in the end, using a USB based device that's already
mapped in Windows, it's just adding the code to recognize a
specific keystroke, same as that to react to a mouse click /
wheel turn.
Back in ancient times of radio, DIY was the only way to get
on the air. Yes it was a challenge, but that's what made it
fun and a great hobby in the first place. This could also
put the MIDI controller debate to sleep.
Bill
On 11/18/2021 12:51 PM, Simon Brown wrote:
Agreed.
Simon Brown, G4ELI
https://www.sdr-radio.com
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM,
BobS wrote:
Does SDR-Console support any
keyboard shortcuts, like + or - or such, to allow for
tuning?
With the cursor placed over the
spectrum or waterfall display, keyboard arrow/cursor
keys left/right (normal steps) and up/down (x10).
Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with adding?
https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning
73
Max
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toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Hi Sigi,
Could you recommend a midi desk supplier? I have dealt with
this device but would like to try. Please provide maker and
model number please? where to buy such device? cheers Mike VK4SY
On 19/11/2021 08:03, Siegfried
Jackstien wrote:
buy a midi deck
assign functions
done
dg9bfc sigi
Am 18.11.2021 um 22:23 schrieb Bill
Walch:
In a similar vein, there's an old
MS Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted old keyboard,
and with a little DIY ingenuity, you could construct a fully
functional cockpit controls array (hundreds of options with
keyboard key mapping, Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was
possible because MSFS used keyboard controls extensively.
Way too cumbersome and convoluted to click on each option.
Here too, SDRC "could" do the same thing, with keyboard
assignments to the various options, freq controls, modes,
etc. I of course realize that this could potentially be a
big coding project in and of itself (I've done it myself),
but in the end, using a USB based device that's already
mapped in Windows, it's just adding the code to recognize a
specific keystroke, same as that to react to a mouse click /
wheel turn.
Back in ancient times of radio, DIY was the only way to get
on the air. Yes it was a challenge, but that's what made it
fun and a great hobby in the first place. This could also
put the MIDI controller debate to sleep.
Bill
On 11/18/2021 12:51 PM, Simon Brown wrote:
Agreed.
Simon Brown, G4ELI
https://www.sdr-radio.com
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM,
BobS wrote:
Does SDR-Console support any
keyboard shortcuts, like + or - or such, to allow for
tuning?
With the cursor placed over the
spectrum or waterfall display, keyboard arrow/cursor
keys left/right (normal steps) and up/down (x10).
Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with adding?
https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning
73
Max
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Look up the Mackie universal pro. SDRConsole CANNOT
make that work. Those sliders are motorized MIDI controlled as are
the rotary encoders and led readouts on the top row left and then
there is the controllable text display.
It is kinda large. Add the extension panel (a second left hand
side) and you have a monster. It would be a fun challenge to make
it work with SDRConsole as well as it can fit a radio world rather
than a theater console world.
Moral of the story, Sigi, is that "any" is a very big word and
"ANY" is even bigger.
{^_-}
On 20211119 05:37:42, Siegfried
Jackstien wrote:
Hi MIke,
in sdr console you can make ANY midi deck to work, so you have
to look what deck fits your needs. How many turn knobs, vfo
wheels, buttons do you want?
i use an EKS XP-5 that found used on evilbay. I did not want to
have TWO wheels so i searched for a deck with just a single
wheel for vfo control.
and ... i did not want to have lots of unused buttons/knobs so
i took the xp5 (it has enough buttons for MY needs)
so ... at first think about what functions do you want on the
deck (look what functions Simon implemented in console!!)
Take a picture of the deck you plan to use, and make a similar
picture as i have added to this mail. Then you know if it fits
your needs or if you should look for a different deck.
Other users of console have a Behringer or similar deck with
TWO turn wheels (fine and coarse tune) but i just need 100 and
10hz steps on a single wheel and i do 1kc and 10kc steps with
buttons, that i reconfigured with the midi deck editor to act
"like" a turn wheel. (with added autorepeat)
Repeat ... ANY midi controller works or can be made to work.
In sdr console is a "learning" function for midi. Select the
function that you want to assign (here in my example the turn
wheel for vfo) and turn the wheel or press the button. Press
"ok" to save the function. Do that with all buttons and
sliders/turn knobs on your deck. DONE!
My midi deck has a nice editor, where you can edit every button
or slider (what note to send on what button). Other decks have
all buttons "fixed" (no editor). So ... look what functions do
you need/want on the deck, then look if you find a dj deck that
fits your needs (at best a unit that comes WITH an editor for
such things like autorepeat etc).
I can not recommend any special deck (besides mine, cause that
works superb). Ask in the sdr radio group what others are using
and what were their findings. And then think what YOU want on
your deck. A few "spare" buttons are ok (maybe Simon adds new
functions later).
Where to buy?? EVILBAY ... or a shop where professional
musicians and dj buy their stuff (sure a bit more expensive
then).
What to buy?? See above. I do not know what YOU want to be used
on your deck, if you want one or two turn wheels, if you want
buttons with "backlight" (yes some dj deck has lamps below the
buttons) ... if you want a small (mini) dj deck (to save room on
your desk and use just minimal functions) ... or a bigger one
(more weight and more buttons)
So... do not rely on MY findings only ... ask here in the group
what others are using and what they like (or do not like) on
their decks. How heavy (or not) the deck is, if it comes with or
without an editor, how "robust" (or not) the deck feels, if they
would buy it again etc etc etc.
Greetz sigi dg9bfc
ps if you get a used xp5 then drop me a mail .. i can then send
you the driver and mappings/presets that i use here ... saves
you 4 days of work hi hi
Am 18.11.2021 um 23:45 schrieb vk3xz:
Hi Sigi,
Could you recommend a midi desk supplier? I have dealt with
this device but would like to try. Please provide maker and
model number please? where to buy such device? cheers Mike
VK4SY
On 19/11/2021 08:03, Siegfried
Jackstien wrote:
buy a midi deck
assign functions
done
dg9bfc sigi
Am 18.11.2021 um 22:23 schrieb
Bill Walch:
In a similar vein, there's an
old MS Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted old
keyboard, and with a little DIY ingenuity, you could
construct a fully functional cockpit controls array
(hundreds of options with keyboard key mapping,
Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was possible because MSFS used
keyboard controls extensively. Way too cumbersome and
convoluted to click on each option.
Here too, SDRC "could" do the same thing, with keyboard
assignments to the various options, freq controls, modes,
etc. I of course realize that this could potentially be a
big coding project in and of itself (I've done it myself),
but in the end, using a USB based device that's already
mapped in Windows, it's just adding the code to recognize
a specific keystroke, same as that to react to a mouse
click / wheel turn.
Back in ancient times of radio, DIY was the only way to
get on the air. Yes it was a challenge, but that's what
made it fun and a great hobby in the first place. This
could also put the MIDI controller debate to sleep.
Bill
On 11/18/2021 12:51 PM, Simon Brown wrote:
Agreed.
Simon Brown, G4ELI
https://www.sdr-radio.com
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM,
BobS wrote:
Does SDR-Console support any
keyboard shortcuts, like + or - or such, to allow
for tuning?
With the cursor placed over the
spectrum or waterfall display, keyboard arrow/cursor
keys left/right (normal steps) and up/down (x10).
Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with
adding?
https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning
73
Max
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Midi_eks_xp5_up.jpg
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large and expensive ... and not a simple dj deck we are talking
about
if it speaks midi i guess even that monster can be used (ok with
a thousand unused buttons but...)
do anybody wants to spend 1200 bucks to control his 200 bucks
sdr?!? i guess not
but if YOU have such a monster deck, see if sdr console gets midi
notes from it.
You sure can move those motorized sliders by hand and if the
buttons also give midi notes, then give it a try in sdrc v3 b ;-)
Moral of the story... ANY MIDI DEVICE THAT SENDS NOTES CAN BE
USED ... GRIN
ok ... a monster deck will have a lot of unsupported functions
but if it sends notes to sdrc v3 .. it will work
if the led text display would show the frequency of the sdr ...
(dreaming a bit) :-)
.............
Sandor (dm4ds) made his own "midibox" (a rotary encoder, a few
additional buttons and leds around an arduino). I guess if you add
an lcd display to that arduino and add cat commands to its code
then you also could add a frequency readout (for sure easier as
asking simon to get such a monster deck supported WITH led
display)
Any device that sends midi notes ... that would describe it
better.. (even a fancy syntie or other keyboard could be used IF
it sends notes ...)
Joanne ... does that monster send notes?? if answer is yes, then
.............
dg9bfc sigi
Am 19.11.2021 um 15:47 schrieb jdow:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Look up the Mackie universal pro.
SDRConsole CANNOT make that work. Those sliders are motorized
MIDI controlled as are the rotary encoders and led readouts on
the top row left and then there is the controllable text
display.
It is kinda large. Add the extension panel (a second left hand
side) and you have a monster. It would be a fun challenge to
make it work with SDRConsole as well as it can fit a radio world
rather than a theater console world.
Moral of the story, Sigi, is that "any" is a very big word and
"ANY" is even bigger.
{^_-}
On 20211119 05:37:42, Siegfried
Jackstien wrote:
Hi MIke,
in sdr console you can make ANY midi deck to work, so you
have to look what deck fits your needs. How many turn knobs,
vfo wheels, buttons do you want?
i use an EKS XP-5 that found used on evilbay. I did not want
to have TWO wheels so i searched for a deck with just a single
wheel for vfo control.
and ... i did not want to have lots of unused buttons/knobs
so i took the xp5 (it has enough buttons for MY needs)
so ... at first think about what functions do you want on the
deck (look what functions Simon implemented in console!!)
Take a picture of the deck you plan to use, and make a
similar picture as i have added to this mail. Then you know if
it fits your needs or if you should look for a different deck.
Other users of console have a Behringer or similar deck with
TWO turn wheels (fine and coarse tune) but i just need 100 and
10hz steps on a single wheel and i do 1kc and 10kc steps with
buttons, that i reconfigured with the midi deck editor to act
"like" a turn wheel. (with added autorepeat)
Repeat ... ANY midi controller works or can be made to work.
In sdr console is a "learning" function for midi. Select the
function that you want to assign (here in my example the turn
wheel for vfo) and turn the wheel or press the button. Press
"ok" to save the function. Do that with all buttons and
sliders/turn knobs on your deck. DONE!
My midi deck has a nice editor, where you can edit every
button or slider (what note to send on what button). Other
decks have all buttons "fixed" (no editor). So ... look what
functions do you need/want on the deck, then look if you find
a dj deck that fits your needs (at best a unit that comes WITH
an editor for such things like autorepeat etc).
I can not recommend any special deck (besides mine, cause
that works superb). Ask in the sdr radio group what others are
using and what were their findings. And then think what YOU
want on your deck. A few "spare" buttons are ok (maybe Simon
adds new functions later).
Where to buy?? EVILBAY ... or a shop where professional
musicians and dj buy their stuff (sure a bit more expensive
then).
What to buy?? See above. I do not know what YOU want to be
used on your deck, if you want one or two turn wheels, if you
want buttons with "backlight" (yes some dj deck has lamps
below the buttons) ... if you want a small (mini) dj deck (to
save room on your desk and use just minimal functions) ... or
a bigger one (more weight and more buttons)
So... do not rely on MY findings only ... ask here in the
group what others are using and what they like (or do not
like) on their decks. How heavy (or not) the deck is, if it
comes with or without an editor, how "robust" (or not) the
deck feels, if they would buy it again etc etc etc.
Greetz sigi dg9bfc
ps if you get a used xp5 then drop me a mail .. i can then
send you the driver and mappings/presets that i use here ...
saves you 4 days of work hi hi
Am 18.11.2021 um 23:45 schrieb
vk3xz:
Hi Sigi,
Could you recommend a midi desk supplier? I have dealt with
this device but would like to try. Please provide maker and
model number please? where to buy such device? cheers Mike
VK4SY
On 19/11/2021 08:03, Siegfried
Jackstien wrote:
buy a midi deck
assign functions
done
dg9bfc sigi
Am 18.11.2021 um 22:23 schrieb
Bill Walch:
In a similar vein, there's an
old MS Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted old
keyboard, and with a little DIY ingenuity, you could
construct a fully functional cockpit controls array
(hundreds of options with keyboard key mapping,
Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was possible because MSFS
used keyboard controls extensively. Way too cumbersome
and convoluted to click on each option.
Here too, SDRC "could" do the same thing, with keyboard
assignments to the various options, freq controls,
modes, etc. I of course realize that this could
potentially be a big coding project in and of itself
(I've done it myself), but in the end, using a USB based
device that's already mapped in Windows, it's just
adding the code to recognize a specific keystroke, same
as that to react to a mouse click / wheel turn.
Back in ancient times of radio, DIY was the only way to
get on the air. Yes it was a challenge, but that's what
made it fun and a great hobby in the first place. This
could also put the MIDI controller debate to sleep.
Bill
On 11/18/2021 12:51 PM, Simon Brown wrote:
Agreed.
Simon Brown, G4ELI
https://www.sdr-radio.com
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM,
BobS wrote:
Does SDR-Console support any
keyboard shortcuts, like + or - or such, to allow
for tuning?
With the cursor placed over the
spectrum or waterfall display, keyboard arrow/cursor
keys left/right (normal steps) and up/down (x10).
Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with
adding?
https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning
73
Max
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You CAN get then for much less used. If it still
works 100% it is an utterly fascinating tool - if you are willing
to invest a boatload of realestate to it. An American DJ tool is
probably the way to go. And they come in all manner of sizes and
designs. "Guitar Center" and "Sweetwater" are better places to
look than the usual ham suppliers.
{^_^}
On 20211119 08:19:33, Siegfried
Jackstien wrote:
large and expensive ... and not a simple dj deck we are talking
about
if it speaks midi i guess even that monster can be used (ok
with a thousand unused buttons but...)
do anybody wants to spend 1200 bucks to control his 200 bucks
sdr?!? i guess not
but if YOU have such a monster deck, see if sdr console gets
midi notes from it.
You sure can move those motorized sliders by hand and if the
buttons also give midi notes, then give it a try in sdrc v3 b
;-)
Moral of the story... ANY MIDI DEVICE THAT SENDS NOTES CAN BE
USED ... GRIN
ok ... a monster deck will have a lot of unsupported functions
but if it sends notes to sdrc v3 .. it will work
if the led text display would show the frequency of the sdr
... (dreaming a bit) :-)
.............
Sandor (dm4ds) made his own "midibox" (a rotary encoder, a few
additional buttons and leds around an arduino). I guess if you
add an lcd display to that arduino and add cat commands to its
code then you also could add a frequency readout (for sure
easier as asking simon to get such a monster deck supported WITH
led display)
Any device that sends midi notes ... that would describe it
better.. (even a fancy syntie or other keyboard could be used IF
it sends notes ...)
Joanne ... does that monster send notes?? if answer is yes,
then .............
dg9bfc sigi
Am 19.11.2021 um 15:47 schrieb jdow:
Look up the Mackie universal pro.
SDRConsole CANNOT make that work. Those sliders are motorized
MIDI controlled as are the rotary encoders and led readouts on
the top row left and then there is the controllable text
display.
It is kinda large. Add the extension panel (a second left hand
side) and you have a monster. It would be a fun challenge to
make it work with SDRConsole as well as it can fit a radio
world rather than a theater console world.
Moral of the story, Sigi, is that "any" is a very big word and
"ANY" is even bigger.
{^_-}
On 20211119 05:37:42, Siegfried
Jackstien wrote:
Hi MIke,
in sdr console you can make ANY midi deck to work, so you
have to look what deck fits your needs. How many turn knobs,
vfo wheels, buttons do you want?
i use an EKS XP-5 that found used on evilbay. I did not
want to have TWO wheels so i searched for a deck with just a
single wheel for vfo control.
and ... i did not want to have lots of unused buttons/knobs
so i took the xp5 (it has enough buttons for MY needs)
so ... at first think about what functions do you want on
the deck (look what functions Simon implemented in
console!!)
Take a picture of the deck you plan to use, and make a
similar picture as i have added to this mail. Then you know
if it fits your needs or if you should look for a different
deck.
Other users of console have a Behringer or similar deck
with TWO turn wheels (fine and coarse tune) but i just need
100 and 10hz steps on a single wheel and i do 1kc and 10kc
steps with buttons, that i reconfigured with the midi deck
editor to act "like" a turn wheel. (with added autorepeat)
Repeat ... ANY midi controller works or can be made to
work.
In sdr console is a "learning" function for midi. Select
the function that you want to assign (here in my example the
turn wheel for vfo) and turn the wheel or press the button.
Press "ok" to save the function. Do that with all buttons
and sliders/turn knobs on your deck. DONE!
My midi deck has a nice editor, where you can edit every
button or slider (what note to send on what button). Other
decks have all buttons "fixed" (no editor). So ... look what
functions do you need/want on the deck, then look if you
find a dj deck that fits your needs (at best a unit that
comes WITH an editor for such things like autorepeat etc).
I can not recommend any special deck (besides mine, cause
that works superb). Ask in the sdr radio group what others
are using and what were their findings. And then think what
YOU want on your deck. A few "spare" buttons are ok (maybe
Simon adds new functions later).
Where to buy?? EVILBAY ... or a shop where professional
musicians and dj buy their stuff (sure a bit more expensive
then).
What to buy?? See above. I do not know what YOU want to be
used on your deck, if you want one or two turn wheels, if
you want buttons with "backlight" (yes some dj deck has
lamps below the buttons) ... if you want a small (mini) dj
deck (to save room on your desk and use just minimal
functions) ... or a bigger one (more weight and more
buttons)
So... do not rely on MY findings only ... ask here in the
group what others are using and what they like (or do not
like) on their decks. How heavy (or not) the deck is, if it
comes with or without an editor, how "robust" (or not) the
deck feels, if they would buy it again etc etc etc.
Greetz sigi dg9bfc
ps if you get a used xp5 then drop me a mail .. i can then
send you the driver and mappings/presets that i use here ...
saves you 4 days of work hi hi
Am 18.11.2021 um 23:45 schrieb
vk3xz:
Hi Sigi,
Could you recommend a midi desk supplier? I have dealt
with this device but would like to try. Please provide
maker and model number please? where to buy such device?
cheers Mike VK4SY
On 19/11/2021 08:03, Siegfried
Jackstien wrote:
buy a midi deck
assign functions
done
dg9bfc sigi
Am 18.11.2021 um 22:23
schrieb Bill Walch:
In a similar vein, there's
an old MS Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted
old keyboard, and with a little DIY ingenuity, you
could construct a fully functional cockpit controls
array (hundreds of options with keyboard key mapping,
Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was possible because MSFS
used keyboard controls extensively. Way too cumbersome
and convoluted to click on each option.
Here too, SDRC "could" do the same thing, with
keyboard assignments to the various options, freq
controls, modes, etc. I of course realize that this
could potentially be a big coding project in and of
itself (I've done it myself), but in the end, using a
USB based device that's already mapped in Windows,
it's just adding the code to recognize a specific
keystroke, same as that to react to a mouse click /
wheel turn.
Back in ancient times of radio, DIY was the only way
to get on the air. Yes it was a challenge, but that's
what made it fun and a great hobby in the first place.
This could also put the MIDI controller debate to
sleep.
Bill
On 11/18/2021 12:51 PM, Simon Brown wrote:
Agreed.
Simon Brown, G4ELI
https://www.sdr-radio.com
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25
PM, BobS wrote:
Does SDR-Console support any
keyboard shortcuts, like + or - or such, to
allow for tuning?
With the cursor placed over the
spectrum or waterfall display, keyboard
arrow/cursor keys left/right (normal steps) and
up/down (x10).
Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with
adding?
https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning
73
Max
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Midi_eks_xp5_up.jpg
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BTW - that Mackie thing uses more than MIDI notes. It
also uses MIDI SysEx commands. It ran out of notes.
{^_-}
On 20211119 08:19:33, Siegfried
Jackstien wrote:
large and expensive ... and not a simple dj deck we are talking
about
if it speaks midi i guess even that monster can be used (ok
with a thousand unused buttons but...)
do anybody wants to spend 1200 bucks to control his 200 bucks
sdr?!? i guess not
but if YOU have such a monster deck, see if sdr console gets
midi notes from it.
You sure can move those motorized sliders by hand and if the
buttons also give midi notes, then give it a try in sdrc v3 b
;-)
Moral of the story... ANY MIDI DEVICE THAT SENDS NOTES CAN BE
USED ... GRIN
ok ... a monster deck will have a lot of unsupported functions
but if it sends notes to sdrc v3 .. it will work
if the led text display would show the frequency of the sdr
... (dreaming a bit) :-)
.............
Sandor (dm4ds) made his own "midibox" (a rotary encoder, a few
additional buttons and leds around an arduino). I guess if you
add an lcd display to that arduino and add cat commands to its
code then you also could add a frequency readout (for sure
easier as asking simon to get such a monster deck supported WITH
led display)
Any device that sends midi notes ... that would describe it
better.. (even a fancy syntie or other keyboard could be used IF
it sends notes ...)
Joanne ... does that monster send notes?? if answer is yes,
then .............
dg9bfc sigi
Am 19.11.2021 um 15:47 schrieb jdow:
Look up the Mackie universal pro.
SDRConsole CANNOT make that work. Those sliders are motorized
MIDI controlled as are the rotary encoders and led readouts on
the top row left and then there is the controllable text
display.
It is kinda large. Add the extension panel (a second left hand
side) and you have a monster. It would be a fun challenge to
make it work with SDRConsole as well as it can fit a radio
world rather than a theater console world.
Moral of the story, Sigi, is that "any" is a very big word and
"ANY" is even bigger.
{^_-}
On 20211119 05:37:42, Siegfried
Jackstien wrote:
Hi MIke,
in sdr console you can make ANY midi deck to work, so you
have to look what deck fits your needs. How many turn knobs,
vfo wheels, buttons do you want?
i use an EKS XP-5 that found used on evilbay. I did not
want to have TWO wheels so i searched for a deck with just a
single wheel for vfo control.
and ... i did not want to have lots of unused buttons/knobs
so i took the xp5 (it has enough buttons for MY needs)
so ... at first think about what functions do you want on
the deck (look what functions Simon implemented in
console!!)
Take a picture of the deck you plan to use, and make a
similar picture as i have added to this mail. Then you know
if it fits your needs or if you should look for a different
deck.
Other users of console have a Behringer or similar deck
with TWO turn wheels (fine and coarse tune) but i just need
100 and 10hz steps on a single wheel and i do 1kc and 10kc
steps with buttons, that i reconfigured with the midi deck
editor to act "like" a turn wheel. (with added autorepeat)
Repeat ... ANY midi controller works or can be made to
work.
In sdr console is a "learning" function for midi. Select
the function that you want to assign (here in my example the
turn wheel for vfo) and turn the wheel or press the button.
Press "ok" to save the function. Do that with all buttons
and sliders/turn knobs on your deck. DONE!
My midi deck has a nice editor, where you can edit every
button or slider (what note to send on what button). Other
decks have all buttons "fixed" (no editor). So ... look what
functions do you need/want on the deck, then look if you
find a dj deck that fits your needs (at best a unit that
comes WITH an editor for such things like autorepeat etc).
I can not recommend any special deck (besides mine, cause
that works superb). Ask in the sdr radio group what others
are using and what were their findings. And then think what
YOU want on your deck. A few "spare" buttons are ok (maybe
Simon adds new functions later).
Where to buy?? EVILBAY ... or a shop where professional
musicians and dj buy their stuff (sure a bit more expensive
then).
What to buy?? See above. I do not know what YOU want to be
used on your deck, if you want one or two turn wheels, if
you want buttons with "backlight" (yes some dj deck has
lamps below the buttons) ... if you want a small (mini) dj
deck (to save room on your desk and use just minimal
functions) ... or a bigger one (more weight and more
buttons)
So... do not rely on MY findings only ... ask here in the
group what others are using and what they like (or do not
like) on their decks. How heavy (or not) the deck is, if it
comes with or without an editor, how "robust" (or not) the
deck feels, if they would buy it again etc etc etc.
Greetz sigi dg9bfc
ps if you get a used xp5 then drop me a mail .. i can then
send you the driver and mappings/presets that i use here ...
saves you 4 days of work hi hi
Am 18.11.2021 um 23:45 schrieb
vk3xz:
Hi Sigi,
Could you recommend a midi desk supplier? I have dealt
with this device but would like to try. Please provide
maker and model number please? where to buy such device?
cheers Mike VK4SY
On 19/11/2021 08:03, Siegfried
Jackstien wrote:
buy a midi deck
assign functions
done
dg9bfc sigi
Am 18.11.2021 um 22:23
schrieb Bill Walch:
In a similar vein, there's
an old MS Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted
old keyboard, and with a little DIY ingenuity, you
could construct a fully functional cockpit controls
array (hundreds of options with keyboard key mapping,
Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was possible because MSFS
used keyboard controls extensively. Way too cumbersome
and convoluted to click on each option.
Here too, SDRC "could" do the same thing, with
keyboard assignments to the various options, freq
controls, modes, etc. I of course realize that this
could potentially be a big coding project in and of
itself (I've done it myself), but in the end, using a
USB based device that's already mapped in Windows,
it's just adding the code to recognize a specific
keystroke, same as that to react to a mouse click /
wheel turn.
Back in ancient times of radio, DIY was the only way
to get on the air. Yes it was a challenge, but that's
what made it fun and a great hobby in the first place.
This could also put the MIDI controller debate to
sleep.
Bill
On 11/18/2021 12:51 PM, Simon Brown wrote:
Agreed.
Simon Brown, G4ELI
https://www.sdr-radio.com
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25
PM, BobS wrote:
Does SDR-Console support any
keyboard shortcuts, like + or - or such, to
allow for tuning?
With the cursor placed over the
spectrum or waterfall display, keyboard
arrow/cursor keys left/right (normal steps) and
up/down (x10).
Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with
adding?
https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning
73
Max
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xp5_setup_actual_edit.jpg
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Hi from Bavaria,
In a similar vein, there's an old MS
Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted old keyboard, and
with a little DIY ingenuity, you could construct a fully
functional cockpit controls array (hundreds of options with
keyboard key mapping, Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was possible
because MSFS used keyboard controls extensively. Way too
cumbersome and convoluted to click on each option.
I fully agree with that! I just use SDRC with my "Behringer X-touch
mini" MIDI-controller but:
as an FS-user (X-Plane) I also extensively use keyboard-shortcuts
with my FS. If SDRC would be able to work with keyboard-shortcuts
(hundreds of them can be applied for any function) it could work
also with the famous and very good "ELGATO Stream Deck" which
also emulates shortcuts. Unfortunately there are not that much
MIDI-commands in SDRC maybe such like zoom spectrum in/out, move
spectrum left/right, recall memories or settings and so on. I´m
quite curious what Simon thinks about this.
My opinion: I would love it to combine the MIDI and shortcut-world
in SDRC. Because MIDI-controllers and their knobs (for tuning) are
really a great option in SDRC.
As I´m not a coder I dare to ask: maybe it´s possible that SDRC has
by default a "shortcut-capability" and comes without any predefined
shortcut at all. But: the user will be able to create his own
custom-shortcuts? That´s the way flightsims work. Each of the
hundreds of controls are available for a shortcut but just some are
preset.
Simon - and of course all the users: what do you think?
73 de Lenz,
DL8RDL
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I'm trying to use a Hercules DJ Control MP3 e2, does anyone have a file to load for this controler? I have got normal tune up/dwn working, so I know it works.
Thanks,
Gordon - N1MGO
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On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 10:13 PM, Lorenz Graßl wrote:
As I´m not a coder I dare to ask: maybe it´s possible that SDRC has by default a "shortcut-capability" and comes without any predefined shortcut at all. But: the user will be able to create his own custom-shortcuts? That´s the way flightsims work. Each of the hundreds of controls are available for a shortcut but just some are preset.
Simon - and of course all the users: what do you think?
I agree totally with this and have mentioned it to Simon many times that would be great if pretty much any button on the GUI or any menu could be assigned a keyboard shortcut. I actually far prefer this mode of operation. For a start it means less clutter on the desk without dedicated controllers. In my former life I was a broadcast video/film editor and the world standard editing program AVID allows exactly this. Absolutely any function/button or drop-down menu item can be assigned to a keyboard shortcut and so the interface via the keyboard was 100% flexible to the requirements of the individual person. You'd be amazed how fast you can edit video once you have all the functions assigned to keys exactly as you want them, and SDRC could be the same. So much quicker to hit U for USB, L for LSB, C for CW etc etc than have to grab mouse and move pointer to the relevant button on the screen.
In SDRC some menu functions are assignable to shortcuts, but I think no buttons on the GUI are, which I'm more interested in enabling this way than the tab menu items.
73
Max
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