HF+ Questions


Tony_AD0VC
 

I looked at the Airspy site and read what they had on the HF+. Some info seems to be missing:


  1. What sample rates are supported? All I see mentioned is 768Khz
  2. Can it be connected with USB or is it network only?
  3. How many bits in the ADC? All I see mentioned is an 18 bit DDC which is the down converter. How about the actual sampler?

Does anybody know?

Tony
ad0vc


Simon Brown
 

OK,

 

  1. 768kHz from the radio, my software also provides 394, 192, 96 and 48kHz
  2. USB only but of course supported by servers including SpyServer
  3. ADC bits doesn’t really matter – MDS and Dynamic Range are the important numbers

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI
www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io [mailto:main@SDR-Radio.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony_AD0VC
Sent: 29 September 2017 03:25
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: [SDR-Radio] HF+ Questions

 

I looked at the Airspy site and read what they had on the HF+. Some info seems to be missing:

 

  1. What sample rates are supported? All I see mentioned is 768Khz
  2. Can it be connected with USB or is it network only?
  3. How many bits in the ADC? All I see mentioned is an 18 bit DDC which is the down converter. How about the actual sampler?

 

Does anybody know?

 

Tony

ad0vc


Tony_AD0VC
 

Simon,


Maybe somebody else will comment on the assertion that ADC width doesn't matter. I will leave it at that. Tradeoffs must sometimes be made.


Tony

ad0vc


 








From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> on behalf of Simon Brown <simon@...>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:17 AM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] HF+ Questions
 

OK,

 

  1. 768kHz from the radio, my software also provides 394, 192, 96 and 48kHz
  2. USB only but of course supported by servers including SpyServer
  3. ADC bits doesn’t really matter – MDS and Dynamic Range are the important numbers

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI
www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io [mailto:main@SDR-Radio.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony_AD0VC
Sent: 29 September 2017 03:25
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: [SDR-Radio] HF+ Questions

 

I looked at the Airspy site and read what they had on the HF+. Some info seems to be missing:

 

  1. What sample rates are supported? All I see mentioned is 768Khz
  2. Can it be connected with USB or is it network only?
  3. How many bits in the ADC? All I see mentioned is an 18 bit DDC which is the down converter. How about the actual sampler?

 

Does anybody know?

 

Tony

ad0vc


Mark Cayton <mcayton@...>
 
Edited

Tony,

I'm just an idiot (a happy idiot, but an idiot nonetheless) so I don't know how such nebulous processes as quantization and decimation are specifically capable of improving the noise floor (and consequently the MDS and dynamic range) of an ADC, but they are.

I found a thread in the Flex Community forum that speaks obliquely to that end - the Flex engineers stated that they were able to improve the Flex 6300's IMD DR3 figures by anywhere between 7 dB and 16 dB (depending on band and preamp settings) in the latest SmartSDR V2 software release.  They didn't reveal how they were able to do that, declaring that to be a company secret, seeing as how there's a bunch of other folks (and companies) who'd also like to know.  :)

Here's that thread:

https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/v2-improved-dynamic-range-for-flex-6300?topic-reply-list%5Bsettings%5D%5Bfilter_by%5D=all

73,
Mark  KF5VQY


Brian Morrison
 

On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:39:06 +0000
Tony_AD0VC wrote:

Maybe somebody else will comment on the assertion that ADC width
doesn't matter.
Beyond a certain point it doesn't, but you need enough bits to hit the
dynamic range needed, roughly 6dB/bit.

The upper limit is set by the reference voltage the ADC uses, the lower
limit by internal noise and by the size of the LSB. If a 14 bit ADC is
able to give a receiver noise floor that is low enough then a 16 bit
ADC will not make it any lower because other sources of noise become
dominant.

--

Brian Morrison


Mark Cayton <mcayton@...>
 

Noise floor isn't the only consideration.  Dynamic range is valuable when a weak signal is adjacent to a very strong signal, or when an extremely strong signal would otherwise simply overload a receiver front end.
--
Mark  KF5VQY