Console V3, SDRPlay RSP2 RF gain control (max attenuation or max gain?)


Max
 

Can anyone familiar with Console V3 used with RSP2 tell me (as the behaviour of this RF gain control seems to produce some bizarre results):

Is this control actually a normal gain control (i.e. Max = Max gain) or is it reversed as seems to be the weird way SDRPlay have chosen to implement it in SDRUno, where the MAX settings appears to be Max attenuation i.e minimum gain?

If the behaviour was predictable as in a conventional analogue receiver then I would not  need to ask, but have some situations where max gain reduces the strength of the received signal, and other situations where the reverse is true so want to be sure of what it is actually doing.

As an aside, the whole manipulation of the RF gain and IF gain on this receiver appears to be a bit of a mystery (though 'starred' settings do admittedly usually produce the required results). There seems to be powerful AGC action going on at maybe more than one point in the receiver so that these controls often seem to do nearly nothing at all. Other times they make massive difference. Quite frustrating not to know what is going on! On my Drake C-Line it's all so so predictable (but with a much 'narrower' viewpoint of the band, HI HI!)

73, Max


Angel M0HDF
 

Hi Max

http://www.sdr-radio.com/Radios/SDRplay

In SDRC3, 0 is max gain (from memory)
check out the link

in UNO the default is Gain Reduction (not gain) but this can be changed

for HF and LF the Hi-Z port works better than the SMAs in the RSP2

Gain control is a different "beast" than in classic radios. (Need to find sweet spot between noise figure and dyn range. Sometimes, ext preconditioning BPF / attenuators are required to tailor your antenna for best performance)
plenty of info and videos out there explaining this 

Hope it helps

73 Angel
M0HDF


Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU
 

Well,  out of ALL the SDRPlay RSP2 servers, ONLY one out of eleven would work (no username/password, unable to connect, dead, offline, etc). From what I saw via testing, the RF Gain and the IF Gain selection does absolutely nothing. But I could only test one RSP2 (M0VCP), so not sure if that's a valid test.

I do know on the RSP1 (I have one and it DOES work), the RF should be set to Min (especially  on lower bands), IF at -35dB Manual (if on automatic, the AGC pumps wildly and you can see and hear the results), and Visual Gain at 0dB.

Here's with RF Min, IF -35 Auto (notice the horizontal dark bands!), and  Visual Gain at 0dB, and my AGC set for Fast on 75M at 1PM local (no signals):



Here's with the same above except the IF is at -35dB Manual, and AGC set on fast at 1PM local (no signals on 75M):




73 Kriss KA1GJU


Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU
 

Max,
One more piece of info, the Gold Star is just the last known setting, it's NOT the default! 
I went through this when setting up my RSD1A server with the group and Simon.

BTW the RF and IF gain settings for the SDR-iq default upon initial use, to the maximum values. IF +24dB and RF +10dB (No gold stars on SDR-iq also)
To the newbie, they might not figure what the problem is (or how to correct it), as my SDR-iq servers will hear AM BC stations all over the bands. 
My suggested settings in the text file do advise users to use IF Gain of +12dB and RF Gain of 0 dB, but only if they read. LOL

73 Kriss KA1GJU


Garden Troll <jefferylegere@...>
 

I feel the same way.



------ Original Message ------
From: "Max via Groups.Io" <d.austin@...>
Sent: 4/9/2018 10:38:36 AM
Subject: [SDR-Radio] Console V3, SDRPlay RSP2 RF gain control (max attenuation or max gain?)

Can anyone familiar with Console V3 used with RSP2 tell me (as the behaviour of this RF gain control seems to produce some bizarre results):

Is this control actually a normal gain control (i.e. Max = Max gain) or is it reversed as seems to be the weird way SDRPlay have chosen to implement it in SDRUno, where the MAX settings appears to be Max attenuation i.e minimum gain?

If the behaviour was predictable as in a conventional analogue receiver then I would not  need to ask, but have some situations where max gain reduces the strength of the received signal, and other situations where the reverse is true so want to be sure of what it is actually doing.

As an aside, the whole manipulation of the RF gain and IF gain on this receiver appears to be a bit of a mystery (though 'starred' settings do admittedly usually produce the required results). There seems to be powerful AGC action going on at maybe more than one point in the receiver so that these controls often seem to do nearly nothing at all. Other times they make massive difference. Quite frustrating not to know what is going on! On my Drake C-Line it's all so so predictable (but with a much 'narrower' viewpoint of the band, HI HI!)

73, Max


Garden Troll <jefferylegere@...>
 

Has mine stopped working? (KL5L)

------ Original Message ------
From: "Kriss Kliegle" <kliegle@...>
Sent: 4/9/2018 12:13:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Console V3, SDRPlay RSP2 RF gain control (max attenuation or max gain?)

Well,  out of ALL the SDRPlay RSP2 servers, ONLY one out of eleven would work (no username/password, unable to connect, dead, offline, etc). From what I saw via testing, the RF Gain and the IF Gain selection does absolutely nothing. But I could only test one RSP2 (M0VCP), so not sure if that's a valid test.

I do know on the RSP1 (I have one and it DOES work), the RF should be set to Min (especially  on lower bands), IF at -35dB Manual (if on automatic, the AGC pumps wildly and you can see and hear the results), and Visual Gain at 0dB.

Here's with RF Min, IF -35 Auto (notice the horizontal dark bands!), and  Visual Gain at 0dB, and my AGC set for Fast on 75M at 1PM local (no signals):



Here's with the same above except the IF is at -35dB Manual, and AGC set on fast at 1PM local (no signals on 75M):




73 Kriss KA1GJU

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Garden Troll <jefferylegere@...>
 

Do remember that with the RSP2, the Hi-Z port does not have the built in AM/FM filters. You must use external filters if you use this port and want sensitivity in the ham bands.
The cheap filters from nooelec and rtl-sdr blog have both been quite effective for me.

------ Original Message ------
From: "Angel M0HDF" <aandresfer@...>
Sent: 4/9/2018 12:07:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Console V3, SDRPlay RSP2 RF gain control (max attenuation or max gain?)

Hi Max

http://www.sdr-radio.com/Radios/SDRplay

In SDRC3, 0 is max gain (from memory)
check out the link

in UNO the default is Gain Reduction (not gain) but this can be changed

for HF and LF the Hi-Z port works better than the SMAs in the RSP2

Gain control is a different "beast" than in classic radios. (Need to find sweet spot between noise figure and dyn range. Sometimes, ext preconditioning BPF / attenuators are required to tailor your antenna for best performance)
plenty of info and videos out there explaining this 

Hope it helps

73 Angel
M0HDF


Hasan Schiers N0AN
 

RF Gain set to 0 = Maximum Gain
RF Gain set to 8 = Off (does not work for me, set to 7 for lowest gain)

After a lot of playing around with the RSP2, (with a very good antenna), I learned the following:

Below 40 meters, a step attenuator is HIGHLY desirable. I use about 10 dB.

20 meters:  the RF gain should not exceed 3 (lower is higher gain, so don't set it at 2 or above)

30 meters and lower, RF gain should be around 5 (again, lower gain)

Don't set the RF gain to 8....(it has never worked right and it raises the noise floor dramatically)

The "automatic" IF gain does not work right (for me). I use Manual gain at -40 dB on all bands at all times. I also run AGC Fast on all HF bands.

On 6m, the best sensitivity and decode SNR in WSJT-X mode MSK144 :

AGC OFF   (setting it on will reduce your reports to stations by 6 dB or more)
AGC GAIN 100
RF GAIN 0  (maximum gain)
RX Filter Bandwidth: 3.6 or 4 Khz
Do not use the Rx Panel Noise Blanker...it does nothing.

WIDEBAND DSP : Blanking: Threshold set to about 4.8, produces 70% blanking into a +19 dB power line noise. The result is a great blanking of the noise and NO reduction in decodes. Without this kind of setting, I get no decodes on Meteor Scatter MSK144 at all when pointed into that noise source. From this it is apparent that very aggressive blanking does not harm mode MSK144 in the WSJT-X Suite of Programs. Don't mess with the default Noise Blanker values ...they work great. 

DO NOT use these noise blanker settings on HF or VHF Mode FT8. You will get tons of false decodes.

Hope this helps. I use my RSP2 every morning on 6 meter meteor scatter, mode MSK144. When I go to HF, I now use the Airspy HF+ because it is VASTLY superior to the SDRPlay in terms of dynamic range. No adjustments of the HF+ are needed (in terms of SDRC V3). It comes up and it works, no playing around with Video gain or anything else. It rocks.
73, N0AN




Max
 

Many thanks to all for useful responses.

Finding the RSP2 rewards playing with the gain controls but does do some odd and unpredictable things occasionally!

For price is very good. I think it is much on par with the HF+ but perhaps needs more tweaking to get best results whereas (from playing on servers) the HF+ needs very little adjustment to get same results. Don't regret buying the RSP2 as no weird gap at 50MHz and much superior bandwidth choices makes it much more useful overall.

Hate SDR Uno. Bit of a mess in my opinion. Thank goodness for SDR Console. Three cheers for Simon!

73 to all.


Mikael Dagman - SA6BSS
 

I have both the rsp1a and rsp2, the 1a is much easer to set right compared to the rsp2, they behave verry differently, and as N0AN sugest a 10db attenuator is a must if you have good antenna setup and listening on the lower bands.


rock
 

this should be adjustable not full on or full off ! max is 0 and minimum is 10 ? makes no sense. RSP1 IS THE SAME. I also notice the sensitivity of the RSP series is not consistent even within the same band.
Rock
W2RTV


Hasan Schiers N0AN
 

Rock,

I have no idea what you are saying. The RF gain is adjustable. 0 thru 8. 0 is maximum gain, and 8 is minimum gain. 8 Doesn't work properly for me, so my adjustment range is 0 thru 7.

How does that translate to "full on or full off" ?

73, N0AN
Hasan