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Re: S Meter #sdr-consolev3

David J Taylor
 

On 07/12/2021 07:08, Simon Brown wrote:
* Right click
* Show More options
* Edit
* Opens with Notepad.

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com
Win-10:

- right-click
- edit

In Win-11, the show more options is required, and also requires an extra click
to open the contents of the show more menu.

Of course, there are occasions when a menu can have too many options, but in
this case the new menu is a wretched nuisance!

I also turn off the ribbon bar, as (to me) it's just an unnecessary complication!

73,
David GM8ARV
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Re: S Meter #sdr-consolev3

milairuk
 

Thanks all who replied, didn't realise it was in the "Scale" drop-down, I had just gone to the "Signal Meter" drop-down.

73 John


Re: S Meter #sdr-consolev3

Simon Brown
 

  • Right click
  • Show More options
  • Edit
  • Opens with Notepad.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

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From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of David J Taylor via groups.io
Sent: 06 December 2021 19:23
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] S Meter #sdr-consolev3

 

On 06/12/2021 17:22, Simon Brown wrote:

> ?

> Just use Notepad.

> Simon Brown, G4ELI

> https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

In Win-11:

 

- right-click the file

- no edit menu option

- move to More

- nothing happens, unlike other cascading menus

- click on More

- see an edit option

 

Painful compared to Win-10!

 

73,

David GM8ARV

 


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Re: S Meter #sdr-consolev3

jdow
 

That it why I periodically lobby for multiple means of controlling features. One I figure is too often neglected is the infamous right click context menu.

{^_-}

On 20211206 08:30:28, David J Taylor via groups.io wrote:
On 06/12/2021 12:56, Simon Brown wrote:
They are, there’s a lot of goodness hidden in the ribbon bar…

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com <https://www.sdr-radio.com/>

But too much hiding can make for more customer support effort (and time lost).  E.g. trying to edit a .CMD file under WIndows-11.

David GM8ARV


Re: S Meter #sdr-consolev3

David J Taylor
 

On 06/12/2021 17:22, Simon Brown wrote:
?

Just use Notepad.

Simon Brown, G4ELI
https://www.sdr-radio.com
In Win-11:

- right-click the file
- no edit menu option
- move to More
- nothing happens, unlike other cascading menus
- click on More
- see an edit option

Painful compared to Win-10!

73,
David GM8ARV
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Re: S Meter #sdr-consolev3

Simon Brown
 

?

Just use Notepad.

Simon Brown, G4ELI
https://www.sdr-radio.com

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From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of David J Taylor via groups.io
Sent: 06 December 2021 16:30
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] S Meter #sdr-consolev3

On 06/12/2021 12:56, Simon Brown wrote:
They are, there’s a lot of goodness hidden in the ribbon bar…

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com <https://www.sdr-radio.com/>
But too much hiding can make for more customer support effort (and time lost).
E.g. trying to edit a .CMD file under WIndows-11.





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Re: S Meter #sdr-consolev3

David J Taylor
 

On 06/12/2021 12:56, Simon Brown wrote:
They are, there’s a lot of goodness hidden in the ribbon bar…
Simon Brown, G4ELI
https://www.sdr-radio.com <https://www.sdr-radio.com/>
But too much hiding can make for more customer support effort (and time lost). E.g. trying to edit a .CMD file under WIndows-11.

David GM8ARV
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SatSignal Software - Quality software for you
Web: https://www.satsignal.eu
Email: david-taylor@...
Twitter: @gm8arv


Re: S Meter #sdr-consolev3

Simon Brown
 

They are, there’s a lot of goodness hidden in the ribbon bar…

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of jdow
Sent: 06 December 2021 10:06
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] S Meter #sdr-consolev3

 

Oops - I did get the wrong menu. All the menus are worth exploring.

{^_-}

On 20211206 01:58:42, Max wrote:

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 09:16 AM, jdow wrote:

View ribbon->Signal Meter Click on what you want.

Just by way of illustrating Joanne's response.

73

Max

 


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Re: S Meter #sdr-consolev3

jdow
 

Oops - I did get the wrong menu. All the menus are worth exploring.

{^_-}

On 20211206 01:58:42, Max wrote:
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 09:16 AM, jdow wrote:
View ribbon->Signal Meter Click on what you want.
Just by way of illustrating Joanne's response.

73

Max



Re: S Meter #sdr-consolev3

Max
 

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 09:16 AM, jdow wrote:
View ribbon->Signal Meter Click on what you want.
Just by way of illustrating Joanne's response.

73

Max


Re: S Meter #sdr-consolev3

jdow
 

View ribbon->Signal Meter Click on what you want.
{^_^}

On 20211206 00:41:41, milairuk via groups.io wrote:
Apologies if this is a dum question - On my SDRC I only have two options for an S Meter in analog mode: Default (dBm) and SNR. A recent unrelated post by Allan G3PIY shows his console displaying S units which as old timer I much prefer.
How can I get this one ? Using V3.1 build 2431 on W10.

Thanks

John G3VUO


S Meter #sdr-consolev3

milairuk
 

Apologies if this is a dum question - On my SDRC I only have two options for an S Meter in analog mode: Default (dBm) and SNR. A recent unrelated post by Allan G3PIY shows his console displaying S units which as old timer I much prefer.
How can I get this one ? Using V3.1 build 2431 on W10.

Thanks

John G3VUO


Re: Resolution

BobS
 

I've taken a look at the Console application on a 2560 x 1600 screen. Under Windows 11 and at 200% scale, all of the fonts and icons are tack-sharp. I didn't need to touch any DPI settings whatsoever.

Bob, W4RLS


Re: Resolution

Gedas
 

Sri for the OT reply but I was nodding my head up and down when I read ur post Tom. I still have fond memories of my true IBM PC running at a whopping 4.77 MHz (and cheating by adding my own clock doubler), then when I moved up to the 80286 I remember splurging only $300 for the 287 math co-processor. Wow we were big "stuff" back then when I could run an antenna analysis in half the time that only took 7-8 hours. My how times have changed.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

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Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On 12/5/2021 1:19 PM, Tom Crosbie G6PZZ wrote:

Allan,

Despite building computers since the 286 and being an IT consultant with MCSE and CCNA qualifications for over 10 years, I would be reluctant to mess around with any flavour of RAID!

I certainly wouldn’t like to try an in place upgrade. I would be making a couple of backups of the data and doing a fresh instal of the OS then restoring the data having rebuilt the RAID.

Fresh installs are a PITA though. The OS is the easy bit. It’s the apps and settings and other hardware that becomes the problem.

You could also try building a totally new PC, leaving the old one as a “server”, accessing your data over your network. Then build a new RAID in the new PC, before copying your data across.

I like to get value for money and my retiring PC was built around 2011. Still works and I may yet drag it out of retirement for another project!

Good luck if/when you upgrade.

 

Tom G6PZZ

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allan Isaacs
Sent: 05 December 2021 14:08
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Resolution

 

OK Tom

All understood

I paid loads for my Win 7 Ult x64bit many years ago and having tried the free embryo Win 10 on other computers I hated it but of course it got much better… (re auto updates for example)

 

A pal upgraded straight away and it messed up his RAID (which I’d organised when I built his computer). Fortunately I fixed this by suggesting he downloaded the latest version of Intel RST.

As this is my business computer with both hardware and software RAID I’m still a little reticent but I think it should be OK by now because I’ve since upgraded lots of machines… so… I may take the plunge soon.

If it all falls apart it will be a good excuse to retire!

Win 11 is a no-go on my motherboard.

 

I understand that by changing dpi in the properties of the EXE file in for example an Adobe program it’s possible in the later versions of Win10 to open say PhotoShop in standard HD rather than UHD.

 

In the meantime if I drag say Outlook or PhotoShop across to my old 1920 monitor its fine. Two 28 inch monitors do take up a lot of room.

 

Funny thing but the new HP display came with an A5 booklet in 35 languages plus English. All printed in pale grey on grey paper in microscopic font. I could only just read this with a magnifying glass. It said it would meet all FCC specs if installed using the instructions. No instructions included however but it did say in brackets you have to use a screened connector lead and not to operate near to a receiver or a transmitter..

My Andrus SDR is operated over my network so is 80 feet away which should be ample.

73 Allan G3PIY

 

 

 


Re: Resolution

Michael.2E0IHW
 

Tom,

Way pre and post 286, I totally agree!

My tutor-supplied  long since retired PC  still purrs contentedly.

OK, I did post-HE  *upgrade*  it to LINUX  :-)

Michael 2E0IHW

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I like to get value for money and my retiring PC was built around 2011. Still works and I may yet drag it out of retirement for another project!
...
Tom G6PZZ


Re: Resolution

Tom Crosbie G6PZZ
 

Allan,

Despite building computers since the 286 and being an IT consultant with MCSE and CCNA qualifications for over 10 years, I would be reluctant to mess around with any flavour of RAID!

I certainly wouldn’t like to try an in place upgrade. I would be making a couple of backups of the data and doing a fresh instal of the OS then restoring the data having rebuilt the RAID.

Fresh installs are a PITA though. The OS is the easy bit. It’s the apps and settings and other hardware that becomes the problem.

You could also try building a totally new PC, leaving the old one as a “server”, accessing your data over your network. Then build a new RAID in the new PC, before copying your data across.

I like to get value for money and my retiring PC was built around 2011. Still works and I may yet drag it out of retirement for another project!

Good luck if/when you upgrade.

 

Tom G6PZZ

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allan Isaacs
Sent: 05 December 2021 14:08
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Resolution

 

OK Tom

All understood

I paid loads for my Win 7 Ult x64bit many years ago and having tried the free embryo Win 10 on other computers I hated it but of course it got much better… (re auto updates for example)

 

A pal upgraded straight away and it messed up his RAID (which I’d organised when I built his computer). Fortunately I fixed this by suggesting he downloaded the latest version of Intel RST.

As this is my business computer with both hardware and software RAID I’m still a little reticent but I think it should be OK by now because I’ve since upgraded lots of machines… so… I may take the plunge soon.

If it all falls apart it will be a good excuse to retire!

Win 11 is a no-go on my motherboard.

 

I understand that by changing dpi in the properties of the EXE file in for example an Adobe program it’s possible in the later versions of Win10 to open say PhotoShop in standard HD rather than UHD.

 

In the meantime if I drag say Outlook or PhotoShop across to my old 1920 monitor its fine. Two 28 inch monitors do take up a lot of room.

 

Funny thing but the new HP display came with an A5 booklet in 35 languages plus English. All printed in pale grey on grey paper in microscopic font. I could only just read this with a magnifying glass. It said it would meet all FCC specs if installed using the instructions. No instructions included however but it did say in brackets you have to use a screened connector lead and not to operate near to a receiver or a transmitter..

My Andrus SDR is operated over my network so is 80 feet away which should be ample.

73 Allan G3PIY

 

 

 


Re: Resolution

Gedas
 

Allan. There may be one key word you missed in my post that you may find helpful. You are not limited to just 3 default enlargement settings. There is a custom setting (with a slider) where you can select and % you want to try. With some trial and error I zero'ed in on what works on my WIN 7 and WIN 10 machines.

But note you cannot be remoted into the PC you want to change to be able to make these changes. You need to be sitting in front of that PC. Here I am remoted into my bigger PC downstairs as I use a laptop upstairs in my recliner. You can see there is a custom setting but it is grayed out. Hope this helps....it did for me.

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT

Gallery at http://w8bya.com
Light travels faster than sound....
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.


Re: Resolution

BobS
 

Windows 11 (and the older Windows 10 and 8.1) have far more DPI scaling methods than Windows 7. Windows 8.1 was the version that introduced the first high DPI features. High DPI support, aside from a rudimentary scaler, are not in Windows 7 as it has a feature specification from 11 years ago. Windows 7 only allows its rudimentary DPI scaling to be disabled, which is the opposite of what you desire.

Another issue is precisely what Simon mentioned. It is quite possible that the video card driver for Windows 7 does not provide for sufficient support for high DPI monitors. Or the video card itself does not provide the support. Overall, you could just be on hardware and/or software that does not fully support high DPI features.

Of particular interest are the following high DPI modes:

  • PerMonitor
  • PerMonitor2
  • DpiUnawareGdiScaled

PerMonitor2 is the newest and preferred method. It has the nice feature of letting monitors with different resolutions mix-and-match, so the application can scale properly on, for example, a 1080p and a 4K monitor when you drag the application across monitors.

Some of these modes require the software developer to enable the mode or to tweak the code in certain ways. Other modes are automatic and work with any application. In short, high DPI monitors are far better supported with a current version of Windows.

Details can be found in this article: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/hidpi/high-dpi-desktop-application-development-on-windows

I believe that the Console application is written in C++ and uses GDI+. While geared for the developer, this BLOG posting from several years ago shows some options that can be performed by altering the properties on the shortcut.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2017/05/19/improving-high-dpi-experience-gdi-based-desktop-apps/

You may need to experiment with the High DPI options that can be tweaked by the end-user in a modern version of Windows. For example, choosing the System (Enhanced) option can go quite far to allowing a DPI-unaware application (i.e. an application where the developer has not added any support for high DPI monitors). This can be highly useful as one typically needs to run a high DPI monitor with font scaling in the range of 125% to 200%.

high-dpi.png

Bob, W4RLS


Re: Resolution

Allan Isaacs
 

OK Tom

All understood

I paid loads for my Win 7 Ult x64bit many years ago and having tried the free embryo Win 10 on other computers I hated it but of course it got much better… (re auto updates for example)

 

A pal upgraded straight away and it messed up his RAID (which I’d organised when I built his computer). Fortunately I fixed this by suggesting he downloaded the latest version of Intel RST.

As this is my business computer with both hardware and software RAID I’m still a little reticent but I think it should be OK by now because I’ve since upgraded lots of machines… so… I may take the plunge soon.

If it all falls apart it will be a good excuse to retire!

Win 11 is a no-go on my motherboard.

 

I understand that by changing dpi in the properties of the EXE file in for example an Adobe program it’s possible in the later versions of Win10 to open say PhotoShop in standard HD rather than UHD.

 

In the meantime if I drag say Outlook or PhotoShop across to my old 1920 monitor its fine. Two 28 inch monitors do take up a lot of room.

 

Funny thing but the new HP display came with an A5 booklet in 35 languages plus English. All printed in pale grey on grey paper in microscopic font. I could only just read this with a magnifying glass. It said it would meet all FCC specs if installed using the instructions. No instructions included however but it did say in brackets you have to use a screened connector lead and not to operate near to a receiver or a transmitter..

My Andrus SDR is operated over my network so is 80 feet away which should be ample.

73 Allan G3PIY

 

 

 


Re: Resolution

Tom Crosbie G6PZZ
 

Alan,

I was going to suggest a second monitor (if you have room).

About 18 months ago but I changed the whole office/music/photographic/radio setup and downsized from two computers to one. I kept both 19” monitors though and despite the mismatch, spread the whole desktop between them. I was also able to use Simon’s docking flexibility and split Console across both screens too. That was using Win10E

 

I have Win 11 H on my laptop downstairs and I love it’s feature of easily switching aps to predetermined configurations. I can work on documents, check emails watch a movie and remote into the office PC and play radio. However, that leaves me with 25% of the laptop display showing a full Console window so back to square one there. Just needs a slider for magnify whole screen or window!

 

Some of my postings to this and other groups might show very large text. Those are sent from my tablet in the bedroom. This hangs over me on an Anglepoise mount like the Sword of Damocles but the screen resolution and font size are corrected for me to read without my spectacles. Yet another consideration to advancing years and declining vision. I can also play radio from there but with screen limitations. It took me ages to get font size and screen resolution just right. With apologies to members of this group, IRCA, mwcircle, loopantennas, CrossCountryWireless groups for the large text. I’m not shouting, honest!

 

The TPM for my desktop arrived this week and the plan is to upgrade that to W11. The tablet will remain at W10 due to lack of processing power and a TPM.

Its all good fun though…

 

Tom G6PZZ

 

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Allan Isaacs
Sent: 05 December 2021 10:48
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Resolution

 

OK Simon

After reading the explan by Gedas, W8BYA I experimented a little (actually quite a lot)

Windows 7: I’d chosen the setting of 150% in the screen resolution option and various programs had mixed results.

For example Outlook had 2 or 3 font sizes instead of one with that in the Personal folders column too large for comfort and that in messages about right

SDR console was really good except for the font size in the left vertical pane and the upper right drop down menu.

In the former with a large number of option boxes the result was a mess and in the latter the S-Meter options were hidden under the top banner.

I reduced the enlargement figure in Screen Resolution from 150% to 125% (there are three options 100/125/150%) and desktop icons were then too small at normal viewing distance.

 

I then looked at the Desktop option “View” and chose “Large” from the three Icon sizes (small/medium/large) and SDR Console is now perfect.

Desktop icons are now just the right size from normal viewing distance.

Outlook which I’m now using has Times New Roman font size 12 which was OK in 1920 but is a tad small in 3840 but incredibly clear so manageable.

I guess there’s room for improvement but no doubt things will work out.

The main thing is SDR Console is 100%

 

Thanks to Covid. I’m signed up to monthly tests for which I get £25 a pop for a few minutes. I gathered up 3 e-cheques and got my new HP V28 UHD monitor for £114 on Black Friday.

The new cheapo graphics card has UHD out at its HDMI and does have the latest driver… I think?

I wonder if Windows 10/11 is able to manage better?

Allan G3PIY

 


From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io [mailto:main@SDR-Radio.groups.io] On Behalf Of Simon Brown
Sent: 04 December 2021 19:01
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Resolution

 

Agreed,

 

Would be interesting to see the font sizes etc., the defaults should be OK, anything set wrongly can upset programs.

 

That card may also be an issue, do you have the latest GeForce Experience drivers installed?

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gedas
Sent: 04 December 2021 15:47
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Resolution

 

I have eye issues and MUST rely on Windows ability to increase the size of fonts etc so I have a chance of reading them without taking off my glasses and shoving my nose up against the monitor. Your display looks identical to mine WHEN I up the enlargement percentage too high. I have found that I can only increase the size to about 110% before many software programs start overlapping etc. If you have enabled font enlargement try a custom setting just above 100%. Just something for your consideration. 73

Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT
 
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Light travels faster than sound....
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On 12/4/2021 10:29 AM, Allan Isaacs wrote:

I've just treated myself to a cheap 4K display and a cheap Palit GT730 and I'm now getting to grips with tiny writing etc
Opening SDR Console gave me a super full size picture but a few anomalies.
You can see one problem over on the left (Filter Options) and a second is the drop down menu where the S-Meter options are hidden
No doubt I'll work things out (sitting closer to the screen is one option) but any ideas on the Console issues?
Allan G3PIY

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