Date   

Data For Markers ?

rmrrgs <rgsrose@...>
 

Hello,

Just want to be sure:

The data for the "Markers" displayed on the Spectrum view are taken
from the "Frequency Database".

True ?

Thanks,
Bob


Re: Midi Controllers

Simon Brown
 

Just FWIW,

 

Adding shortcuts to the ribbon bar is straightforward, really just UI work. The magic words are Accelerator Table. Options not in the ribbon bar get more tricky but can be done.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Max
Sent: 21 November 2021 22:30
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Midi Controllers

 

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 10:13 PM, Lorenz Graßl wrote:

As I´m not a coder I dare to ask: maybe it´s possible that SDRC has by default a "shortcut-capability" and comes without any predefined shortcut at all. But: the user will be able to create his own custom-shortcuts? That´s the way flightsims work. Each of the hundreds of controls are available for a shortcut but just some are preset.

Simon - and of course all the users: what do you think?

I agree totally with this and have mentioned it to Simon many times that would be great if pretty much any button on the GUI or any menu could be assigned a keyboard shortcut. I actually far prefer this mode of operation. For a start it means less clutter on the desk without dedicated controllers. In my former life I was a broadcast video/film editor and the world standard editing program AVID allows exactly this. Absolutely any function/button or drop-down menu item can be assigned to a keyboard shortcut and so the interface via the keyboard was 100% flexible to the requirements of the individual person. You'd be amazed how fast you can edit video once you have all the functions assigned to keys exactly as you want them, and SDRC could be the same. So much quicker to hit U for USB, L for LSB, C for CW etc etc than have to grab mouse and move pointer to the relevant button on the screen. 

In SDRC some menu functions are assignable to shortcuts, but I think no buttons on the GUI are, which I'm more interested in enabling this way than the tab menu items.

73

Max


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Re: How To Verify If eibi B21 Is Actually Being Used For The Frequency Database And The Markers ?

 

Thanks for this information.  Looks really interesting.  Is this a free application? 

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Re: Midi Controllers

Simon Brown
 

Hi,

 

I think there’s only 24 hours in each day. When I have time to take a break I’ll let you know…

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lorenz Graßl

As I´m not a coder I dare to ask: maybe it´s possible that SDRC has by default a "shortcut-capability" and comes without any predefined shortcut at all. But: the user will be able to create his own custom-shortcuts? That´s the way flightsims work. Each of the hundreds of controls are available for a shortcut but just some are preset.

Simon - and of course all the users: what do you think?

73 de Lenz,
DL8RDL


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Re: Midi Controllers

Max
 

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 10:13 PM, Lorenz Graßl wrote:
As I´m not a coder I dare to ask: maybe it´s possible that SDRC has by default a "shortcut-capability" and comes without any predefined shortcut at all. But: the user will be able to create his own custom-shortcuts? That´s the way flightsims work. Each of the hundreds of controls are available for a shortcut but just some are preset.

Simon - and of course all the users: what do you think?

I agree totally with this and have mentioned it to Simon many times that would be great if pretty much any button on the GUI or any menu could be assigned a keyboard shortcut. I actually far prefer this mode of operation. For a start it means less clutter on the desk without dedicated controllers. In my former life I was a broadcast video/film editor and the world standard editing program AVID allows exactly this. Absolutely any function/button or drop-down menu item can be assigned to a keyboard shortcut and so the interface via the keyboard was 100% flexible to the requirements of the individual person. You'd be amazed how fast you can edit video once you have all the functions assigned to keys exactly as you want them, and SDRC could be the same. So much quicker to hit U for USB, L for LSB, C for CW etc etc than have to grab mouse and move pointer to the relevant button on the screen. 

In SDRC some menu functions are assignable to shortcuts, but I think no buttons on the GUI are, which I'm more interested in enabling this way than the tab menu items.

73

Max


Re: How To Verify If eibi B21 Is Actually Being Used For The Frequency Database And The Markers ?

BobS
 

The best way to verify data is to compare/contrast what you see vs. what you expect. SDR Console uses SQLite to store the frequency database. It's located in %AppData%\Roaming\SDR-RADIO.com (V3)\Console\Ident0. I've found that the tool DB Browser for SQLite to be a good querying and editing tool.

Once you have the database open, then you can issue queries against it to compare/contrast. The table includes a column named Source that can be used to winnow down results by database too. It is a straightforward and clean structure. It's also quite easy to edit if desired.

You can have the EiBi CSV file open in Excel, LibreOffice Calc, or whatever and then use the spreadsheet to filter the results. Then you can do the same in SQL for the database. If the results match, you're set. If not, a very simple solution would be to delete all the records from the frequency database and re-import. That'll ensure that you only have EiBi data from the last dataset in.

Here I'm looking at all records with a station starting with BBC and a site of Ascension. Of course, you can easily construct any sort of query. That's the power of SQL! Our hobby is quite data-centric. It's great that Simon made the database so easy and flexible to access.

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Bob, W4RLS


Re: Midi Controllers

Gordon LaPoint
 

I'm trying to use a Hercules DJ Control MP3 e2, does anyone have a file to load for this controler?   I have got normal tune up/dwn working, so I know it works.

Thanks,

Gordon - N1MGO


How To Verify If eibi B21 Is Actually Being Used For The Frequency Database And The Markers ?

rmrrgs <rgsrose@...>
 

Hello,

Downloaded the new B21 eibi database.

Think, but not at all sure, that I have it now in the "Frequency Database," and also that it is being used for the "Markers" that are displayed in the Spectrum view.

How can I verify that this new eibi is truly being used for Both of the above ?

      (Have played around with the Load, Save, and the other views of, but am not actually 100% sure it is the B21 I downloaded and "think" I installed ?)

As always, thanks,
Bob


Re: Midi Controllers

Lorenz Graßl
 

Hi from Bavaria,

In a similar vein, there's an old MS Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted old keyboard, and with a little DIY ingenuity, you could construct a fully functional cockpit controls array (hundreds of options with keyboard key mapping, Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was possible because MSFS used keyboard controls extensively. Way too cumbersome and convoluted to click on each option.
I fully agree with that! I just use SDRC with my "Behringer X-touch mini" MIDI-controller but:
as an FS-user (X-Plane) I also extensively use keyboard-shortcuts with my FS. If SDRC would be able to work with keyboard-shortcuts (hundreds of them can be applied for any function) it could work also with the famous and very good "ELGATO Stream Deck" which also emulates shortcuts. Unfortunately there are not that much MIDI-commands in SDRC maybe such like zoom spectrum in/out, move spectrum left/right, recall memories or settings and so on. I´m quite curious what Simon thinks about this.

My opinion: I would love it to combine the MIDI and shortcut-world in SDRC. Because MIDI-controllers and their knobs (for tuning) are really a great option in SDRC.

As I´m not a coder I dare to ask: maybe it´s possible that SDRC has by default a "shortcut-capability" and comes without any predefined shortcut at all. But: the user will be able to create his own custom-shortcuts? That´s the way flightsims work. Each of the hundreds of controls are available for a shortcut but just some are preset.

Simon - and of course all the users: what do you think?

73 de Lenz,
DL8RDL


Re: Midi Controllers

jdow
 

BTW - that Mackie thing uses more than MIDI notes. It also uses MIDI SysEx commands. It ran out of notes.

{^_-}

On 20211119 08:19:33, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

large and expensive ... and not a simple dj deck we are talking about

if it speaks midi i guess even that monster can be used (ok with a thousand unused buttons but...)

do anybody wants to spend 1200 bucks to control his 200 bucks sdr?!? i guess not

but if YOU have such a monster deck, see if sdr console gets midi notes from it.

You sure can move those motorized sliders by hand and if the buttons also give midi notes, then give it a try in sdrc v3 b ;-)

Moral of the story... ANY MIDI DEVICE THAT SENDS NOTES CAN BE USED ... GRIN

ok ... a monster deck will have a lot of unsupported functions but if it sends notes to sdrc v3 .. it will work

if the led text display would show the frequency of the sdr ... (dreaming a bit) :-)

.............

Sandor (dm4ds) made his own "midibox" (a rotary encoder, a few additional buttons and leds around an arduino). I guess if you add an lcd display to that arduino and add cat commands to its code then you also could add a frequency readout (for sure easier as asking simon to get such a monster deck supported WITH led display)

Any device that sends midi notes ... that would describe it better.. (even a fancy syntie or other keyboard could be used IF it sends notes ...)

Joanne ... does that monster send notes?? if answer is yes, then .............

dg9bfc sigi

Am 19.11.2021 um 15:47 schrieb jdow:
Look up the Mackie universal pro. SDRConsole CANNOT make that work. Those sliders are motorized MIDI controlled as are the rotary encoders and led readouts on the top row left and then there is the controllable text display.

It is kinda large. Add the extension panel (a second left hand side) and you have a monster. It would be a fun challenge to make it work with SDRConsole as well as it can fit a radio world rather than a theater console world.

Moral of the story, Sigi, is that "any" is a very big word and "ANY" is even bigger.

{^_-}

On 20211119 05:37:42, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

Hi MIke,

in sdr console you can make ANY midi deck to work, so you have to look what deck fits your needs. How many turn knobs, vfo wheels, buttons do you want?

i use an EKS XP-5 that found used on evilbay. I did not want to have TWO wheels so i searched for a deck with just a single wheel for vfo control.

and ... i did not want to have lots of unused buttons/knobs so i took the xp5 (it has enough buttons for MY needs)

so ... at first think about what functions do you want on the deck (look what functions Simon implemented in console!!)

Take a picture of the deck you plan to use, and make a similar picture as i have added to this mail. Then you know if it fits your needs or if you should look for a different deck.

Other users of console have a Behringer or similar deck with TWO turn wheels (fine and coarse tune) but i just need 100 and 10hz steps on a single wheel and i do 1kc and 10kc steps with buttons, that i reconfigured with the midi deck editor to act "like" a turn wheel. (with added autorepeat)

Repeat ... ANY midi controller works or can be made to work.

In sdr console is a "learning" function for midi. Select the function that you want to assign (here in my example the turn wheel for vfo) and turn the wheel or press the button. Press "ok" to save the function. Do that with all buttons and sliders/turn knobs on your deck. DONE!

My midi deck has a nice editor, where you can edit every button or slider (what note to send on what button). Other decks have all buttons "fixed" (no editor). So ... look what functions do you need/want on the deck, then look if you find a dj deck that fits your needs (at best a unit that comes WITH an editor for such things like autorepeat etc).

I can not recommend any special deck (besides mine, cause that works superb). Ask in the sdr radio group what others are using and what were their findings. And then think what YOU want on your deck. A few "spare" buttons are ok (maybe Simon adds new functions later).

Where to buy?? EVILBAY ... or a shop where professional musicians and dj buy their stuff (sure a bit more expensive then).

What to buy?? See above. I do not know what YOU want to be used on your deck, if you want one or two turn wheels, if you want buttons with "backlight" (yes some dj deck has lamps below the buttons) ... if you want a small (mini) dj deck (to save room on your desk and use just minimal functions) ... or a bigger one (more weight and more buttons)

So... do not rely on MY findings only ... ask here in the group what others are using and what they like (or do not like) on their decks. How heavy (or not) the deck is, if it comes with or without an editor, how "robust" (or not) the deck feels, if they would buy it again etc etc etc.

Greetz sigi dg9bfc

ps if you get a used xp5 then drop me a mail .. i can then send you the driver and mappings/presets that i use here ... saves you 4 days of work hi hi

Am 18.11.2021 um 23:45 schrieb vk3xz:

Hi Sigi,

Could you recommend a midi desk supplier? I have dealt with this device but would like to try. Please provide maker and model number please? where to buy such device? cheers Mike VK4SY

On 19/11/2021 08:03, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

buy a midi deck

assign functions

done

dg9bfc sigi

Am 18.11.2021 um 22:23 schrieb Bill Walch:
In a similar vein, there's an old MS Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted old keyboard, and with a little DIY ingenuity, you could construct a fully functional cockpit controls array (hundreds of options with keyboard key mapping, Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was possible because MSFS used keyboard controls extensively. Way too cumbersome and convoluted to click on each option.

Here too, SDRC "could" do the same thing, with keyboard assignments to the various options, freq controls, modes, etc. I of course realize that this could potentially be a big coding project in and of itself (I've done it myself), but in the end, using a USB based device that's already mapped in Windows, it's just adding the code to recognize a specific keystroke, same as that to react to a mouse click / wheel turn.

Back in ancient times of radio, DIY was the only way to get on the air. Yes it was a challenge, but that's what made it fun and a great hobby in the first place. This could also put the MIDI controller debate to sleep.

Bill

On 11/18/2021 12:51 PM, Simon Brown wrote:

Agreed.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Max
Sent: 18 November 2021 08:49
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Midi Controllers

 

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM, BobS wrote:

Does SDR-Console support any keyboard shortcuts, like + or - or such, to allow for tuning?

With the cursor placed over the spectrum or waterfall display, keyboard arrow/cursor keys left/right (normal steps) and up/down (x10).

Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with adding?
https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning

73

Max


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Re: Midi Controllers

jdow
 

You CAN get then for much less used. If it still works 100% it is an utterly fascinating tool - if you are willing to invest a boatload of realestate to it. An American DJ tool is probably the way to go. And they come in all manner of sizes and designs. "Guitar Center" and "Sweetwater" are better places to look than the usual ham suppliers.

{^_^}

On 20211119 08:19:33, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

large and expensive ... and not a simple dj deck we are talking about

if it speaks midi i guess even that monster can be used (ok with a thousand unused buttons but...)

do anybody wants to spend 1200 bucks to control his 200 bucks sdr?!? i guess not

but if YOU have such a monster deck, see if sdr console gets midi notes from it.

You sure can move those motorized sliders by hand and if the buttons also give midi notes, then give it a try in sdrc v3 b ;-)

Moral of the story... ANY MIDI DEVICE THAT SENDS NOTES CAN BE USED ... GRIN

ok ... a monster deck will have a lot of unsupported functions but if it sends notes to sdrc v3 .. it will work

if the led text display would show the frequency of the sdr ... (dreaming a bit) :-)

.............

Sandor (dm4ds) made his own "midibox" (a rotary encoder, a few additional buttons and leds around an arduino). I guess if you add an lcd display to that arduino and add cat commands to its code then you also could add a frequency readout (for sure easier as asking simon to get such a monster deck supported WITH led display)

Any device that sends midi notes ... that would describe it better.. (even a fancy syntie or other keyboard could be used IF it sends notes ...)

Joanne ... does that monster send notes?? if answer is yes, then .............

dg9bfc sigi

Am 19.11.2021 um 15:47 schrieb jdow:
Look up the Mackie universal pro. SDRConsole CANNOT make that work. Those sliders are motorized MIDI controlled as are the rotary encoders and led readouts on the top row left and then there is the controllable text display.

It is kinda large. Add the extension panel (a second left hand side) and you have a monster. It would be a fun challenge to make it work with SDRConsole as well as it can fit a radio world rather than a theater console world.

Moral of the story, Sigi, is that "any" is a very big word and "ANY" is even bigger.

{^_-}

On 20211119 05:37:42, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

Hi MIke,

in sdr console you can make ANY midi deck to work, so you have to look what deck fits your needs. How many turn knobs, vfo wheels, buttons do you want?

i use an EKS XP-5 that found used on evilbay. I did not want to have TWO wheels so i searched for a deck with just a single wheel for vfo control.

and ... i did not want to have lots of unused buttons/knobs so i took the xp5 (it has enough buttons for MY needs)

so ... at first think about what functions do you want on the deck (look what functions Simon implemented in console!!)

Take a picture of the deck you plan to use, and make a similar picture as i have added to this mail. Then you know if it fits your needs or if you should look for a different deck.

Other users of console have a Behringer or similar deck with TWO turn wheels (fine and coarse tune) but i just need 100 and 10hz steps on a single wheel and i do 1kc and 10kc steps with buttons, that i reconfigured with the midi deck editor to act "like" a turn wheel. (with added autorepeat)

Repeat ... ANY midi controller works or can be made to work.

In sdr console is a "learning" function for midi. Select the function that you want to assign (here in my example the turn wheel for vfo) and turn the wheel or press the button. Press "ok" to save the function. Do that with all buttons and sliders/turn knobs on your deck. DONE!

My midi deck has a nice editor, where you can edit every button or slider (what note to send on what button). Other decks have all buttons "fixed" (no editor). So ... look what functions do you need/want on the deck, then look if you find a dj deck that fits your needs (at best a unit that comes WITH an editor for such things like autorepeat etc).

I can not recommend any special deck (besides mine, cause that works superb). Ask in the sdr radio group what others are using and what were their findings. And then think what YOU want on your deck. A few "spare" buttons are ok (maybe Simon adds new functions later).

Where to buy?? EVILBAY ... or a shop where professional musicians and dj buy their stuff (sure a bit more expensive then).

What to buy?? See above. I do not know what YOU want to be used on your deck, if you want one or two turn wheels, if you want buttons with "backlight" (yes some dj deck has lamps below the buttons) ... if you want a small (mini) dj deck (to save room on your desk and use just minimal functions) ... or a bigger one (more weight and more buttons)

So... do not rely on MY findings only ... ask here in the group what others are using and what they like (or do not like) on their decks. How heavy (or not) the deck is, if it comes with or without an editor, how "robust" (or not) the deck feels, if they would buy it again etc etc etc.

Greetz sigi dg9bfc

ps if you get a used xp5 then drop me a mail .. i can then send you the driver and mappings/presets that i use here ... saves you 4 days of work hi hi

Am 18.11.2021 um 23:45 schrieb vk3xz:

Hi Sigi,

Could you recommend a midi desk supplier? I have dealt with this device but would like to try. Please provide maker and model number please? where to buy such device? cheers Mike VK4SY

On 19/11/2021 08:03, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

buy a midi deck

assign functions

done

dg9bfc sigi

Am 18.11.2021 um 22:23 schrieb Bill Walch:
In a similar vein, there's an old MS Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted old keyboard, and with a little DIY ingenuity, you could construct a fully functional cockpit controls array (hundreds of options with keyboard key mapping, Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was possible because MSFS used keyboard controls extensively. Way too cumbersome and convoluted to click on each option.

Here too, SDRC "could" do the same thing, with keyboard assignments to the various options, freq controls, modes, etc. I of course realize that this could potentially be a big coding project in and of itself (I've done it myself), but in the end, using a USB based device that's already mapped in Windows, it's just adding the code to recognize a specific keystroke, same as that to react to a mouse click / wheel turn.

Back in ancient times of radio, DIY was the only way to get on the air. Yes it was a challenge, but that's what made it fun and a great hobby in the first place. This could also put the MIDI controller debate to sleep.

Bill

On 11/18/2021 12:51 PM, Simon Brown wrote:

Agreed.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Max
Sent: 18 November 2021 08:49
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Midi Controllers

 

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM, BobS wrote:

Does SDR-Console support any keyboard shortcuts, like + or - or such, to allow for tuning?

With the cursor placed over the spectrum or waterfall display, keyboard arrow/cursor keys left/right (normal steps) and up/down (x10).

Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with adding?
https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning

73

Max


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Re: Good USB Cables #usb

jdow
 

Sure. In this case he committed suicide. He was a bit of a "case". Apparently he woke up and grew up from what I can find. I still cannot feel sorry for him. He earned his problems.

{o.o}

On 20211119 07:49:35, Tom Crosbie G6PZZ wrote:

“I won that one except for the psychological scarring. I'm here. He's dead.”

 

Love it! Can I use that, please?

 

Tom G6PZZ

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of jdow
Sent: 19 November 2021 08:35
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Good USB Cables #usb

 

That's "Ol' Bi*ch" to you, Sir.

{^_-}  (I really should use my name more often. But I learned the hard way in 1985-1986 with a year's worth of cyber-terrorism that a certain amount of anonymity is a good thing. And, no, I do not give up easily. I won that one except for the psychological scarring. I'm here. He's dead.)

On 20211118 09:06:15, John Cliff wrote:

Good call there OB. Ferite the true friend of the Radio Ham. 73 de John - G0WXU.

 

On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 at 15:13, jdow <jdow@...> wrote:

VGA cables do this, too. I am not sure about HDMI. There are a lot of HDMI cables with glowing advertising and claims that aren't really up to snuff. Linus Tech Tips has the testing on youtube. I am guessing much the same goes for USB3 cables and Ethernet cables and....

{o.o}

On 20211118 06:53:29, Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU wrote:

It’s not just USB cables that have poor RFI shielding. I was just at another Ham’s QTH installing an over the air TV antenna for when the power/cable goes out. When ever he turned on his IC7610 with the external video monitor, he would loose TV reception. TV antenna was in attic and rig in basement, separated by +35’. On a hunch, I disconnected the DVI Cable from the IC7610 (that contains toroids on both ends) and TV reception returned. I placed a few random, unknown value clamp-on ferrites that he had in a drawer and all was well.
   The hunch was from prior experience with a DVI cable in my main operation position, the computer monitor wipes out certain 440 band channels on my 2m/440 rig.

   Those with DVI cables in operation and use 70cm and above may want to experiment with ferrites.

YMMV (Your Milage May Vary)

73 Kriss KA1GJU/AM

 

 



Re: Good USB Cables #usb

jdow
 

Consider two things, ground loops and capacitor bypassing where possible.

The ground loop can be a total killer at AF and a serious problem at HF. Try to find ways to deal with it. It's often not at all simple.

Capacitive bypassing is a good thing, too, when you can do it. Attenuation comes from either or both increasing the impedance of the path into a device and decreasing the input impedance. If your input impedance is 1k it is going to take a few pounds of suitable ferrite to attenuate signals. If your input impedance is 50 ohms and the impedance of your chokes is 10k your attenuation goes from about 20 dB to almost 50 dB. This input impedance would be your common mode input impedance, of course. So it is likely to be quite low at least for the shield side. Ferrite can help guarantee that noise on the shield has less chance to leak inside. (All cables leak RF. All you can do is negotiate with it over how much it leaks.)

Something to think about it the fact that if you have one ferrite over a cable and add a second beside it, all you do is double the impedance (6dB). If you can find a way to let cable between the chokes have a low impedance path away from your receivers (and lips on microphones) then you can go from doubling the impedance to having cascaded low pass filters with a 20 dB filter plus a second 20 dB filter giving you 40 dB rather than only 26 dB.

Design your solution rather than throw ferrite at it at random. A really good resource to visit is Jim Brown's website. He spent his working life fighting emi and hum in a theater inside a building in Chicago that housed several very high power radio and TV stations - and making it work. He knows what he talks about.

{^_^}    Joanne

On 20211119 07:43:20, Tom Crosbie G6PZZ wrote:

“Ferite the true friend of the Radio Ham”

 

True, but it has to be the right type of ferrite to be effective. Putting your own ferrites on your cables means you have a much better solution for solving EMI/RFI  problems.

My shack is groaning under the weight of ferrite in place, much of it doing nothing because it is cheap Chinese ferrite bought because it fitted the cable more than anything else.

I have a big EMI/RFI problem which is slowly diminishing as I replace both cables and ferrites to make better common mode chokes and filters. Using a trusted brand is a good start but does anyone know the type of ferrite fitted to the Tripp Lite leads that started off this discussion? I’m just curious.

 

Tom G6PZZ

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Cliff
Sent: 18 November 2021 17:06
To: main@sdr-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Good USB Cables #usb

 

Good call there OB. Ferite the true friend of the Radio Ham. 73 de John - G0WXU.

 

On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 at 15:13, jdow <jdow@...> wrote:

VGA cables do this, too. I am not sure about HDMI. There are a lot of HDMI cables with glowing advertising and claims that aren't really up to snuff. Linus Tech Tips has the testing on youtube. I am guessing much the same goes for USB3 cables and Ethernet cables and....

{o.o}

On 20211118 06:53:29, Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU wrote:

It’s not just USB cables that have poor RFI shielding. I was just at another Ham’s QTH installing an over the air TV antenna for when the power/cable goes out. When ever he turned on his IC7610 with the external video monitor, he would loose TV reception. TV antenna was in attic and rig in basement, separated by +35’. On a hunch, I disconnected the DVI Cable from the IC7610 (that contains toroids on both ends) and TV reception returned. I placed a few random, unknown value clamp-on ferrites that he had in a drawer and all was well.
   The hunch was from prior experience with a DVI cable in my main operation position, the computer monitor wipes out certain 440 band channels on my 2m/440 rig.

   Those with DVI cables in operation and use 70cm and above may want to experiment with ferrites.

YMMV (Your Milage May Vary)

73 Kriss KA1GJU/AM

 



Re: Midi Controllers

Siegfried Jackstien
 

large and expensive ... and not a simple dj deck we are talking about

if it speaks midi i guess even that monster can be used (ok with a thousand unused buttons but...)

do anybody wants to spend 1200 bucks to control his 200 bucks sdr?!? i guess not

but if YOU have such a monster deck, see if sdr console gets midi notes from it.

You sure can move those motorized sliders by hand and if the buttons also give midi notes, then give it a try in sdrc v3 b ;-)

Moral of the story... ANY MIDI DEVICE THAT SENDS NOTES CAN BE USED ... GRIN

ok ... a monster deck will have a lot of unsupported functions but if it sends notes to sdrc v3 .. it will work

if the led text display would show the frequency of the sdr ... (dreaming a bit) :-)

.............

Sandor (dm4ds) made his own "midibox" (a rotary encoder, a few additional buttons and leds around an arduino). I guess if you add an lcd display to that arduino and add cat commands to its code then you also could add a frequency readout (for sure easier as asking simon to get such a monster deck supported WITH led display)

Any device that sends midi notes ... that would describe it better.. (even a fancy syntie or other keyboard could be used IF it sends notes ...)

Joanne ... does that monster send notes?? if answer is yes, then .............

dg9bfc sigi

Am 19.11.2021 um 15:47 schrieb jdow:

Look up the Mackie universal pro. SDRConsole CANNOT make that work. Those sliders are motorized MIDI controlled as are the rotary encoders and led readouts on the top row left and then there is the controllable text display.

It is kinda large. Add the extension panel (a second left hand side) and you have a monster. It would be a fun challenge to make it work with SDRConsole as well as it can fit a radio world rather than a theater console world.

Moral of the story, Sigi, is that "any" is a very big word and "ANY" is even bigger.

{^_-}

On 20211119 05:37:42, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

Hi MIke,

in sdr console you can make ANY midi deck to work, so you have to look what deck fits your needs. How many turn knobs, vfo wheels, buttons do you want?

i use an EKS XP-5 that found used on evilbay. I did not want to have TWO wheels so i searched for a deck with just a single wheel for vfo control.

and ... i did not want to have lots of unused buttons/knobs so i took the xp5 (it has enough buttons for MY needs)

so ... at first think about what functions do you want on the deck (look what functions Simon implemented in console!!)

Take a picture of the deck you plan to use, and make a similar picture as i have added to this mail. Then you know if it fits your needs or if you should look for a different deck.

Other users of console have a Behringer or similar deck with TWO turn wheels (fine and coarse tune) but i just need 100 and 10hz steps on a single wheel and i do 1kc and 10kc steps with buttons, that i reconfigured with the midi deck editor to act "like" a turn wheel. (with added autorepeat)

Repeat ... ANY midi controller works or can be made to work.

In sdr console is a "learning" function for midi. Select the function that you want to assign (here in my example the turn wheel for vfo) and turn the wheel or press the button. Press "ok" to save the function. Do that with all buttons and sliders/turn knobs on your deck. DONE!

My midi deck has a nice editor, where you can edit every button or slider (what note to send on what button). Other decks have all buttons "fixed" (no editor). So ... look what functions do you need/want on the deck, then look if you find a dj deck that fits your needs (at best a unit that comes WITH an editor for such things like autorepeat etc).

I can not recommend any special deck (besides mine, cause that works superb). Ask in the sdr radio group what others are using and what were their findings. And then think what YOU want on your deck. A few "spare" buttons are ok (maybe Simon adds new functions later).

Where to buy?? EVILBAY ... or a shop where professional musicians and dj buy their stuff (sure a bit more expensive then).

What to buy?? See above. I do not know what YOU want to be used on your deck, if you want one or two turn wheels, if you want buttons with "backlight" (yes some dj deck has lamps below the buttons) ... if you want a small (mini) dj deck (to save room on your desk and use just minimal functions) ... or a bigger one (more weight and more buttons)

So... do not rely on MY findings only ... ask here in the group what others are using and what they like (or do not like) on their decks. How heavy (or not) the deck is, if it comes with or without an editor, how "robust" (or not) the deck feels, if they would buy it again etc etc etc.

Greetz sigi dg9bfc

ps if you get a used xp5 then drop me a mail .. i can then send you the driver and mappings/presets that i use here ... saves you 4 days of work hi hi

Am 18.11.2021 um 23:45 schrieb vk3xz:

Hi Sigi,

Could you recommend a midi desk supplier? I have dealt with this device but would like to try. Please provide maker and model number please? where to buy such device? cheers Mike VK4SY

On 19/11/2021 08:03, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

buy a midi deck

assign functions

done

dg9bfc sigi

Am 18.11.2021 um 22:23 schrieb Bill Walch:
In a similar vein, there's an old MS Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted old keyboard, and with a little DIY ingenuity, you could construct a fully functional cockpit controls array (hundreds of options with keyboard key mapping, Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was possible because MSFS used keyboard controls extensively. Way too cumbersome and convoluted to click on each option.

Here too, SDRC "could" do the same thing, with keyboard assignments to the various options, freq controls, modes, etc. I of course realize that this could potentially be a big coding project in and of itself (I've done it myself), but in the end, using a USB based device that's already mapped in Windows, it's just adding the code to recognize a specific keystroke, same as that to react to a mouse click / wheel turn.

Back in ancient times of radio, DIY was the only way to get on the air. Yes it was a challenge, but that's what made it fun and a great hobby in the first place. This could also put the MIDI controller debate to sleep.

Bill

On 11/18/2021 12:51 PM, Simon Brown wrote:

Agreed.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Max
Sent: 18 November 2021 08:49
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Midi Controllers

 

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM, BobS wrote:

Does SDR-Console support any keyboard shortcuts, like + or - or such, to allow for tuning?

With the cursor placed over the spectrum or waterfall display, keyboard arrow/cursor keys left/right (normal steps) and up/down (x10).

Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with adding?
https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning

73

Max


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xp5_setup_actual_edit.jpg

Midi_eks_xp5_up.jpg


Re: Good USB Cables #usb

Tom Crosbie G6PZZ
 

“I won that one except for the psychological scarring. I'm here. He's dead.”

 

Love it! Can I use that, please?

 

Tom G6PZZ

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of jdow
Sent: 19 November 2021 08:35
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Good USB Cables #usb

 

That's "Ol' Bi*ch" to you, Sir.

{^_-}  (I really should use my name more often. But I learned the hard way in 1985-1986 with a year's worth of cyber-terrorism that a certain amount of anonymity is a good thing. And, no, I do not give up easily. I won that one except for the psychological scarring. I'm here. He's dead.)

On 20211118 09:06:15, John Cliff wrote:

Good call there OB. Ferite the true friend of the Radio Ham. 73 de John - G0WXU.

 

On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 at 15:13, jdow <jdow@...> wrote:

VGA cables do this, too. I am not sure about HDMI. There are a lot of HDMI cables with glowing advertising and claims that aren't really up to snuff. Linus Tech Tips has the testing on youtube. I am guessing much the same goes for USB3 cables and Ethernet cables and....

{o.o}

On 20211118 06:53:29, Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU wrote:

It’s not just USB cables that have poor RFI shielding. I was just at another Ham’s QTH installing an over the air TV antenna for when the power/cable goes out. When ever he turned on his IC7610 with the external video monitor, he would loose TV reception. TV antenna was in attic and rig in basement, separated by +35’. On a hunch, I disconnected the DVI Cable from the IC7610 (that contains toroids on both ends) and TV reception returned. I placed a few random, unknown value clamp-on ferrites that he had in a drawer and all was well.
   The hunch was from prior experience with a DVI cable in my main operation position, the computer monitor wipes out certain 440 band channels on my 2m/440 rig.

   Those with DVI cables in operation and use 70cm and above may want to experiment with ferrites.

YMMV (Your Milage May Vary)

73 Kriss KA1GJU/AM

 

 


Re: Good USB Cables #usb

Tom Crosbie G6PZZ
 

“Ferite the true friend of the Radio Ham”

 

True, but it has to be the right type of ferrite to be effective. Putting your own ferrites on your cables means you have a much better solution for solving EMI/RFI  problems.

My shack is groaning under the weight of ferrite in place, much of it doing nothing because it is cheap Chinese ferrite bought because it fitted the cable more than anything else.

I have a big EMI/RFI problem which is slowly diminishing as I replace both cables and ferrites to make better common mode chokes and filters. Using a trusted brand is a good start but does anyone know the type of ferrite fitted to the Tripp Lite leads that started off this discussion? I’m just curious.

 

Tom G6PZZ

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Cliff
Sent: 18 November 2021 17:06
To: main@sdr-radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Good USB Cables #usb

 

Good call there OB. Ferite the true friend of the Radio Ham. 73 de John - G0WXU.

 

On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 at 15:13, jdow <jdow@...> wrote:

VGA cables do this, too. I am not sure about HDMI. There are a lot of HDMI cables with glowing advertising and claims that aren't really up to snuff. Linus Tech Tips has the testing on youtube. I am guessing much the same goes for USB3 cables and Ethernet cables and....

{o.o}

On 20211118 06:53:29, Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU wrote:

It’s not just USB cables that have poor RFI shielding. I was just at another Ham’s QTH installing an over the air TV antenna for when the power/cable goes out. When ever he turned on his IC7610 with the external video monitor, he would loose TV reception. TV antenna was in attic and rig in basement, separated by +35’. On a hunch, I disconnected the DVI Cable from the IC7610 (that contains toroids on both ends) and TV reception returned. I placed a few random, unknown value clamp-on ferrites that he had in a drawer and all was well.
   The hunch was from prior experience with a DVI cable in my main operation position, the computer monitor wipes out certain 440 band channels on my 2m/440 rig.

   Those with DVI cables in operation and use 70cm and above may want to experiment with ferrites.

YMMV (Your Milage May Vary)

73 Kriss KA1GJU/AM

 


Re: Good USB Cables #usb

N2MS
 

Peter,

The molded chokes are effective at VHF to comply with international rules. You have to put multiple turns of the cable through a Fair-Rite Mix 31 ferrite to attenuate HF frequencies.

Fair-Rite ferrites are available at Digi-Key, Mouser and other distributors.

Where is the closest rainforest? Is it the Congo River basin?

Mike N2MS

On 11/19/2021 8:38 AM Peter 1956 <pe1etr@...> wrote:


I'm currently located in Botswana. There is no Amazon here. (No rain forest at all).
Not everyone on the internet is in the USA ;)
Peter


Re: Good USB Cables #usb

Mag loop Simon
 

Hi Peter

Then you need to get creative..old smpsu supplies have torroids in them. They work.green ones are better than the yellow and white..

That’s assuming you can find a supply of scrap stuff? Knackered inverter stick welders?? Etc..

Simon ( not that Simon, but another.)


Re: Midi Controllers

jdow
 

Look up the Mackie universal pro. SDRConsole CANNOT make that work. Those sliders are motorized MIDI controlled as are the rotary encoders and led readouts on the top row left and then there is the controllable text display.

It is kinda large. Add the extension panel (a second left hand side) and you have a monster. It would be a fun challenge to make it work with SDRConsole as well as it can fit a radio world rather than a theater console world.

Moral of the story, Sigi, is that "any" is a very big word and "ANY" is even bigger.

{^_-}

On 20211119 05:37:42, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

Hi MIke,

in sdr console you can make ANY midi deck to work, so you have to look what deck fits your needs. How many turn knobs, vfo wheels, buttons do you want?

i use an EKS XP-5 that found used on evilbay. I did not want to have TWO wheels so i searched for a deck with just a single wheel for vfo control.

and ... i did not want to have lots of unused buttons/knobs so i took the xp5 (it has enough buttons for MY needs)

so ... at first think about what functions do you want on the deck (look what functions Simon implemented in console!!)

Take a picture of the deck you plan to use, and make a similar picture as i have added to this mail. Then you know if it fits your needs or if you should look for a different deck.

Other users of console have a Behringer or similar deck with TWO turn wheels (fine and coarse tune) but i just need 100 and 10hz steps on a single wheel and i do 1kc and 10kc steps with buttons, that i reconfigured with the midi deck editor to act "like" a turn wheel. (with added autorepeat)

Repeat ... ANY midi controller works or can be made to work.

In sdr console is a "learning" function for midi. Select the function that you want to assign (here in my example the turn wheel for vfo) and turn the wheel or press the button. Press "ok" to save the function. Do that with all buttons and sliders/turn knobs on your deck. DONE!

My midi deck has a nice editor, where you can edit every button or slider (what note to send on what button). Other decks have all buttons "fixed" (no editor). So ... look what functions do you need/want on the deck, then look if you find a dj deck that fits your needs (at best a unit that comes WITH an editor for such things like autorepeat etc).

I can not recommend any special deck (besides mine, cause that works superb). Ask in the sdr radio group what others are using and what were their findings. And then think what YOU want on your deck. A few "spare" buttons are ok (maybe Simon adds new functions later).

Where to buy?? EVILBAY ... or a shop where professional musicians and dj buy their stuff (sure a bit more expensive then).

What to buy?? See above. I do not know what YOU want to be used on your deck, if you want one or two turn wheels, if you want buttons with "backlight" (yes some dj deck has lamps below the buttons) ... if you want a small (mini) dj deck (to save room on your desk and use just minimal functions) ... or a bigger one (more weight and more buttons)

So... do not rely on MY findings only ... ask here in the group what others are using and what they like (or do not like) on their decks. How heavy (or not) the deck is, if it comes with or without an editor, how "robust" (or not) the deck feels, if they would buy it again etc etc etc.

Greetz sigi dg9bfc

ps if you get a used xp5 then drop me a mail .. i can then send you the driver and mappings/presets that i use here ... saves you 4 days of work hi hi

Am 18.11.2021 um 23:45 schrieb vk3xz:

Hi Sigi,

Could you recommend a midi desk supplier? I have dealt with this device but would like to try. Please provide maker and model number please? where to buy such device? cheers Mike VK4SY

On 19/11/2021 08:03, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

buy a midi deck

assign functions

done

dg9bfc sigi

Am 18.11.2021 um 22:23 schrieb Bill Walch:
In a similar vein, there's an old MS Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted old keyboard, and with a little DIY ingenuity, you could construct a fully functional cockpit controls array (hundreds of options with keyboard key mapping, Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was possible because MSFS used keyboard controls extensively. Way too cumbersome and convoluted to click on each option.

Here too, SDRC "could" do the same thing, with keyboard assignments to the various options, freq controls, modes, etc. I of course realize that this could potentially be a big coding project in and of itself (I've done it myself), but in the end, using a USB based device that's already mapped in Windows, it's just adding the code to recognize a specific keystroke, same as that to react to a mouse click / wheel turn.

Back in ancient times of radio, DIY was the only way to get on the air. Yes it was a challenge, but that's what made it fun and a great hobby in the first place. This could also put the MIDI controller debate to sleep.

Bill

On 11/18/2021 12:51 PM, Simon Brown wrote:

Agreed.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Max
Sent: 18 November 2021 08:49
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Midi Controllers

 

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM, BobS wrote:

Does SDR-Console support any keyboard shortcuts, like + or - or such, to allow for tuning?

With the cursor placed over the spectrum or waterfall display, keyboard arrow/cursor keys left/right (normal steps) and up/down (x10).

Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with adding?
https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning

73

Max


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xp5_setup_actual_edit.jpg

Midi_eks_xp5_up.jpg


Re: Midi Controllers

Siegfried Jackstien
 

Hello Mike

did you also look here:

https://www.sdr-radio.com/midi-controllers

greetz sigi dg9bfc

Am 18.11.2021 um 23:45 schrieb vk3xz:

Hi Sigi,

Could you recommend a midi desk supplier? I have dealt with this device but would like to try. Please provide maker and model number please? where to buy such device? cheers Mike VK4SY

On 19/11/2021 08:03, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

buy a midi deck

assign functions

done

dg9bfc sigi

Am 18.11.2021 um 22:23 schrieb Bill Walch:
In a similar vein, there's an old MS Flight Sim control hack, that used a gutted old keyboard, and with a little DIY ingenuity, you could construct a fully functional cockpit controls array (hundreds of options with keyboard key mapping, Alt-Shift-Ctrl, etc.). This was possible because MSFS used keyboard controls extensively. Way too cumbersome and convoluted to click on each option.

Here too, SDRC "could" do the same thing, with keyboard assignments to the various options, freq controls, modes, etc. I of course realize that this could potentially be a big coding project in and of itself (I've done it myself), but in the end, using a USB based device that's already mapped in Windows, it's just adding the code to recognize a specific keystroke, same as that to react to a mouse click / wheel turn.

Back in ancient times of radio, DIY was the only way to get on the air. Yes it was a challenge, but that's what made it fun and a great hobby in the first place. This could also put the MIDI controller debate to sleep.

Bill

On 11/18/2021 12:51 PM, Simon Brown wrote:

Agreed.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Max
Sent: 18 November 2021 08:49
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Midi Controllers

 

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM, BobS wrote:

Does SDR-Console support any keyboard shortcuts, like + or - or such, to allow for tuning?

With the cursor placed over the spectrum or waterfall display, keyboard arrow/cursor keys left/right (normal steps) and up/down (x10).

Simon, it's not mentioned in here. Could do with adding?
https://www.sdr-radio.com/tuning

73

Max


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