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Re: Midi Controllers

Siegfried Jackstien
 

Hello Steve

in principle (or better say in fact) you can use ANY midi deck

use one that fits your needs ... as an example i wanted one with only ONE turn wheel (vfo) not two ... and with just a few buttons (and not a dozen of turn knobs that are unused)

see my layout in the picture

... ok to answer your question ... yes a new behringer will work (and a dozen others)

greetz sigi dg9bfc

Am 16.11.2021 um 13:40 schrieb WW1SS. . . Steve via groups.io:

Having a hard time finding the Behringer CMD PL-1 controller. What other controllers are compatible with SDR Console?? Will a new Behringer work.

Thanks and 73 .  .  . WW1SS . . . Steve


Re: Please test my server someone.

WA1LGQ
 

I have had trouble putting in the port number in that box forever. Its not intuitive, but I always manage to get it in there.
Larry


Midi Controllers

Steve . . . WW1SS
 

Having a hard time finding the Behringer CMD PL-1 controller. What other controllers are compatible with SDR Console?? Will a new Behringer work.

Thanks and 73 .  .  . WW1SS . . . Steve


Re: Please test my server someone.

jdow
 

Try selecting the zero and typing a 5. That might be amusing.

It may be that the software presumes a port number and does not show it and gets it wrong. I'd take the behavior you are seeing as a fairly serious bug.

{O.O}

On 20211115 17:56:12, Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU wrote:

Jdow,
Software wouldn’t allow me to enter any number in the port box. It defaults to 0, so when I placed the cursor there and backspaced so I could enter 50101, I got the error as posted above.

If I place the cursor in the port box and enter 50101 after the 0, it displays 050101 and yes it works… but it took numerous attempts of shutting down via Taskmanager and restarting SDRC.

73 Kriss KA1GJU 



Re: server port number.

Simon Brown
 

Hi,

 

If it’s on a Pi then it’ll be running the SDR# SpyServer I assume, so follow the SpyServer installation, then in Console:

 

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of vince battle
Sent: 15 November 2021 21:46
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] server port number.

 

Thanks Simon,

I have reviewed the “server manger” several times, but I just can’t connect to my Airspy discovery which is on my LAN and connected to my PI Raspberry 4. I put the address and port, but it keeps telling me connection refused.

I just want to connect only on my LAN. Now I can do this with Spyserver, which is o my PI and SDR# on my new i& 6ore NUC, But just cannot connect with SDRC

 

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From: Simon Brown
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:41 PM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] server port number.

 

See: https://www.sdr-radio.com/server-manager

 

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of vince battle
Sent: 15 November 2021 19:43
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] server port number.

 

Thanks Simon,

I’m trying to add my Airspy Discovery and thank you for the suggestion BTW, great little unit!

 

vincent

 

 

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From: Simon Brown
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:26 AM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] server port number.

 

It’s up to the owner of the server.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of vince battle
Sent: 15 November 2021 18:14
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] server port number.

 

Grettings,

Do you have to use port# 5xxxx? Is it possible to use port# 5XXX?

 

Vince4

 

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Re: Please test my server someone.

Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU
 

Jdow,
Software wouldn’t allow me to enter any number in the port box. It defaults to 0, so when I placed the cursor there and backspaced so I could enter 50101, I got the error as posted above.

If I place the cursor in the port box and enter 50101 after the 0, it displays 050101 and yes it works… but it took numerous attempts of shutting down via Taskmanager and restarting SDRC.

73 Kriss KA1GJU 


Re: Please test my server someone.

jdow
 

Not a bug. The port must be known before you can login. That is basic TCP.
{^_^}

On 20211115 08:55:02, Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU wrote:

Simon,
I can't get past this screen... apparently one has to enter a port number BEFORE the user name and password.
Won't let me enter 50101 or any number for that matter. Had to kill via Taskmanager.

Another bug?



73 Kriss KA1GJU


Re: Please test my server someone.

jdow
 

Signifies nothing. Firewalls will usually ignore and drop traceroute and ping packets.
{o.o}

On 20211115 08:10:29, David Dohm wrote:

Here is a tracert result from this morning:

Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.19043.1348]
(c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\18057>tracert 32.209.103.168

Tracing route to 32.209.103.168 over a maximum of 30 hops

  1     3 ms     2 ms     2 ms  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx Obscuring my IP address information
  2    15 ms    15 ms    11 ms  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
  3    13 ms    28 ms    17 ms  po-301-1204-rur02.santamaria.ca.sfba.comcast.net [68.86.249.45]
  4    13 ms    17 ms    12 ms  po-2-rur01.santamaria.ca.sfba.comcast.net [69.139.199.33]
  5    48 ms    16 ms    17 ms  be-228-rar01.santaclara.ca.sfba.comcast.net [162.151.79.149]
  6    24 ms    25 ms    33 ms  be-299-ar01.santaclara.ca.sfba.comcast.net [68.86.143.93]
  7    34 ms    49 ms    24 ms  lag-14.ear3.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.68.72.105]
  8     *       95 ms   122 ms  ae-2-3601.ear3.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.150.206]
  9    84 ms    83 ms    83 ms  4.7.6.206
 10     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 11   107 ms    87 ms    87 ms  ae1---0.car01.wlfr.ct.frontiernet.net [74.40.5.206]
 12    90 ms    92 ms    88 ms  74.40.71.94
 13   180 ms   213 ms   190 ms  32.223.104.38
 14     *        *       97 ms  32.223.0.209
 15     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 16     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 17     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 
Regards,
David Dohm


Re: Good USB Cables #usb

Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU
 

Buy in bulk!

https://palomar-engineers.com/ferrite-products/Ferrite-Ring-Combo-Pack-FT240-1-4-ID-10-Rings-Mix-31-4-61-3-75-3-RFI-Range-15-2000-MHz-p74627078

I have these on many of my USB and CAT5/6 cables where they interfere with my SDR Servers. My TX antennas are far enough away, so TX’ing was never an issue. I just don’t like seeing/hearing all the QRM across the bands!


73 Kriss KA1GJU


Re: Good USB Cables #usb

Siegfried Jackstien
 

and if the cables are a bit longer route them a dozen times through a high permeability donut core

those added ferrites  on the cables are for vhf uhf.. but not good enough for shortwave ... adding a big size donut helps

dg9bfc sigi

Am 16.11.2021 um 01:34 schrieb Dennis Matzen:

Recently I finished up my project to link up my Kenwood TS-590S with SDR Console. I added a buffer Amp inside the TS-590S, with a SMA panel jack on the back of the radio. This connects to my SDRPlay RSP2pro. I connected the TS-590S USB port (USB serial connection) to my PC. I had everything setup and it was working great. The TS-590S and SDR Console were tracking. The S meter on the TS-590S and Console matched pretty close. A real nice setup. Until I transmitted. I got feedback in my PC speakers, the TS-590S USB serial port disconnected and Console seems to get lost. I obviously was having issued with RF getting into the PC and RSP2pro. I suspected the no-name cheap USB cables used to connect the RSP2pro and the TS590S to my PC.

My solution was to purchase two of the following cables at Amazon, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003MQ29B2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1. They include a ferrite choke at each end and I confirmed that there is continuity between the shells of each connector. Since I replace these the station has been solid. No evidence of RF getting into anything. 

I highly recommend these cables. They are only USB 2.0 but for the serial interface on the TS-590S and the RSP2pro that is fine.
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KA6FUB


Good USB Cables #usb

Dennis Matzen
 

Recently I finished up my project to link up my Kenwood TS-590S with SDR Console. I added a buffer Amp inside the TS-590S, with a SMA panel jack on the back of the radio. This connects to my SDRPlay RSP2pro. I connected the TS-590S USB port (USB serial connection) to my PC. I had everything setup and it was working great. The TS-590S and SDR Console were tracking. The S meter on the TS-590S and Console matched pretty close. A real nice setup. Until I transmitted. I got feedback in my PC speakers, the TS-590S USB serial port disconnected and Console seems to get lost. I obviously was having issued with RF getting into the PC and RSP2pro. I suspected the no-name cheap USB cables used to connect the RSP2pro and the TS590S to my PC.

My solution was to purchase two of the following cables at Amazon, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003MQ29B2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1. They include a ferrite choke at each end and I confirmed that there is continuity between the shells of each connector. Since I replace these the station has been solid. No evidence of RF getting into anything. 

I highly recommend these cables. They are only USB 2.0 but for the serial interface on the TS-590S and the RSP2pro that is fine.
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KA6FUB


Re: Please test my server someone.

Kriss Kliegle KA1GJU
 

The server doesn’t require a powerhouse computer, I use old W7 netbooks and recently, W10 laptops from Craigslist.
Just be mindful of QRM from Ethernet switches, routers, and Cat5/6 cables. All of which can be tamed with T240-30 toroid cores. Getting the antenna far, far away from the computer(s) and other QRM generating makes for a good set up. I use old 1/2” CATV hardline, which was removed when fiber was replacing it. One of my CATV coax runs is +300’, and hosts four SDR’s of three different mfgs for users to experiment with. (KA1GJU Super Station #2) The antenna is a 150’ EFW in an Inverted L, draped over tall trees lining the cow pasture. Feedline connects to a 9:1 unun, and has a ground system attached to the unun. The grounding of the unun dropped the noise floor on 160-80M by 1.5 S-units!

Feel free to PM me any questions you have.

73 Kriss KA1GJU


Re: Shaded area under the Spectrum

Siegfried Jackstien
 

sorry typo ... english is not my mother language

and yes the gallic hit them

and WE TOO :-)

Am 15.11.2021 um 23:16 schrieb Andrea Dalbagno:

Well, they were Gallic, not German. And the others were Romans, not Romanians.

"hic patriae fines siste signa hic ceteros excoluimus linga legibus artibus"

Ave

Andrea IN3IWZ

Il lun 15 nov 2021, 23:00 Siegfried Jackstien <siegfried.jackstien@...> ha scritto:

No ... sure not with a world cup but with dents in their helmets ... ever seen asterix and the romanians??

Here in northern germany we made it similar (hit the helmets) ,but with no "magic drinks from miracoulix" :-)

dg9bfc sigi

Am 15.11.2021 um 22:46 schrieb Andrea Dalbagno:
...with the World Cup in our bag, like in 2006.

Cheers

Andrea IN3IWZ

Il lun 15 nov 2021, 22:33 Siegfried Jackstien <siegfried.jackstien@...> ha scritto:

AND WE (the lower saxonian) hit the italian intruders on their head when they came over the "teuto", gave them a kick and brought them back to rome :-)

dg9bfc sigi

dg9bfc sigi

Am 15.11.2021 um 06:21 schrieb Simon Brown:

No.

 

English comes from middle German through various sources – Vikings, low countries, etc.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of jdow
Sent: 15 November 2021 04:41
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Shaded area under the Spectrum

 

I thought Dutch was am absurd mashup of German, Frisian, and English.

{^_-}

On 20211114 04:54:26, Brian Morrison wrote:

On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:49:36 +0100
"Siegfried Jackstien" <siegfried.jackstien@...> wrote:
 
and Simon lived in Switzerland where they speak a "funny german slang" hi hi
 
(just kidding)
I thought that was Holland? :-p
 

 


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Re: Shaded area under the Spectrum

Mag loop Simon
 

If them books are in good nick, sell them and buy a nice sdr..( thats not saying yours is not a nice sdr by the way.)



On 15 Nov 2021, at 22:18, Nick Hall-Patch via groups.io <nhp@...> wrote:

 I was thinking about digging out (my children's) old Asterix books to round out this thread.   Of course "my children" are long grown up now, but guess who still has the books?

Nick



At 22:00 2021-11-15, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

No ... sure not with a world cup but with dents in their helmets ... ever seen asterix and the romanians??

Here in northern germany we made it similar (hit the helmets) ,but with no "magic drinks from miracoulix" :-)

dg9bfc sigi
Am 15.11.2021 um 22:46 schrieb Andrea Dalbagno:
...with the World Cup in our bag, like in 2006.
Cheers
Andrea IN3IWZ
Il lun 15 nov 2021, 22:33 Siegfried Jackstien < siegfried.jackstien@...> ha scritto:

AND WE (the lower saxonian) hit the italian intruders on their head when they came over the "teuto", gave them a kick and brought them back to rome :-)

dg9bfc sigi

dg9bfc sigi
Am 15.11.2021 um 06:21 schrieb Simon Brown:

No.

Â

English comes from middle German through various sources – Vikings, low countries, etc.

Â

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

Â

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of jdow Sent: 15 November 2021 04:41 To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Shaded area under the Spectrum

Â

I thought Dutch was am absurd mashup of German, Frisian, and English. {^_-}

On 20211114 04:54:26, Brian Morrison wrote:

On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:49:36
+0100

"Siegfried Jackstien"

<siegfried.jackstien@...>
wrote:

 

and Simon lived in Switzerland where they speak a "funny
german slang" hi
hi

 

(just
kidding)


I thought that was Holland?
:-p

 

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Re: Shaded area under the Spectrum

Nick Hall-Patch
 

I was thinking about digging out (my children's) old Asterix books to round out this thread.   Of course "my children" are long grown up now, but guess who still has the books?

Nick



At 22:00 2021-11-15, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:

No ... sure not with a world cup but with dents in their helmets ... ever seen asterix and the romanians??

Here in northern germany we made it similar (hit the helmets) ,but with no "magic drinks from miracoulix" :-)

dg9bfc sigi
Am 15.11.2021 um 22:46 schrieb Andrea Dalbagno:
...with the World Cup in our bag, like in 2006.
Cheers
Andrea IN3IWZ
Il lun 15 nov 2021, 22:33 Siegfried Jackstien < siegfried.jackstien@...> ha scritto:

AND WE (the lower saxonian) hit the italian intruders on their head when they came over the "teuto", gave them a kick and brought them back to rome :-)

dg9bfc sigi

dg9bfc sigi
Am 15.11.2021 um 06:21 schrieb Simon Brown:

No.

Â

English comes from middle German through various sources – Vikings, low countries, etc.

Â

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

Â

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of jdow Sent: 15 November 2021 04:41 To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Shaded area under the Spectrum

Â

I thought Dutch was am absurd mashup of German, Frisian, and English. {^_-}

On 20211114 04:54:26, Brian Morrison wrote:

On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:49:36
+0100

"Siegfried Jackstien"

<siegfried.jackstien@...>
wrote:

 

and Simon lived in Switzerland where they speak a "funny
german slang" hi
hi

 

(just
kidding)


I thought that was Holland?
:-p

 

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Re: Shaded area under the Spectrum

Andrea Dalbagno
 

Well, they were Gallic, not German. And the others were Romans, not Romanians.

"hic patriae fines siste signa hic ceteros excoluimus linga legibus artibus"

Ave

Andrea IN3IWZ

Il lun 15 nov 2021, 23:00 Siegfried Jackstien <siegfried.jackstien@...> ha scritto:

No ... sure not with a world cup but with dents in their helmets ... ever seen asterix and the romanians??

Here in northern germany we made it similar (hit the helmets) ,but with no "magic drinks from miracoulix" :-)

dg9bfc sigi

Am 15.11.2021 um 22:46 schrieb Andrea Dalbagno:
...with the World Cup in our bag, like in 2006.

Cheers

Andrea IN3IWZ

Il lun 15 nov 2021, 22:33 Siegfried Jackstien <siegfried.jackstien@...> ha scritto:

AND WE (the lower saxonian) hit the italian intruders on their head when they came over the "teuto", gave them a kick and brought them back to rome :-)

dg9bfc sigi

dg9bfc sigi

Am 15.11.2021 um 06:21 schrieb Simon Brown:

No.

 

English comes from middle German through various sources – Vikings, low countries, etc.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of jdow
Sent: 15 November 2021 04:41
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Shaded area under the Spectrum

 

I thought Dutch was am absurd mashup of German, Frisian, and English.

{^_-}

On 20211114 04:54:26, Brian Morrison wrote:

On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:49:36 +0100
"Siegfried Jackstien" <siegfried.jackstien@...> wrote:
 
and Simon lived in Switzerland where they speak a "funny german slang" hi hi
 
(just kidding)
I thought that was Holland? :-p
 

 


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Re: Shaded area under the Spectrum

Siegfried Jackstien
 

No ... sure not with a world cup but with dents in their helmets ... ever seen asterix and the romanians??

Here in northern germany we made it similar (hit the helmets) ,but with no "magic drinks from miracoulix" :-)

dg9bfc sigi

Am 15.11.2021 um 22:46 schrieb Andrea Dalbagno:

...with the World Cup in our bag, like in 2006.

Cheers

Andrea IN3IWZ

Il lun 15 nov 2021, 22:33 Siegfried Jackstien <siegfried.jackstien@...> ha scritto:

AND WE (the lower saxonian) hit the italian intruders on their head when they came over the "teuto", gave them a kick and brought them back to rome :-)

dg9bfc sigi

dg9bfc sigi

Am 15.11.2021 um 06:21 schrieb Simon Brown:

No.

 

English comes from middle German through various sources – Vikings, low countries, etc.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of jdow
Sent: 15 November 2021 04:41
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Shaded area under the Spectrum

 

I thought Dutch was am absurd mashup of German, Frisian, and English.

{^_-}

On 20211114 04:54:26, Brian Morrison wrote:

On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:49:36 +0100
"Siegfried Jackstien" <siegfried.jackstien@...> wrote:
 
and Simon lived in Switzerland where they speak a "funny german slang" hi hi
 
(just kidding)
I thought that was Holland? :-p
 

 


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Re: Shaded area under the Spectrum

Andrea Dalbagno
 

...with the World Cup in our bag, like in 2006.

Cheers

Andrea IN3IWZ

Il lun 15 nov 2021, 22:33 Siegfried Jackstien <siegfried.jackstien@...> ha scritto:

AND WE (the lower saxonian) hit the italian intruders on their head when they came over the "teuto", gave them a kick and brought them back to rome :-)

dg9bfc sigi

dg9bfc sigi

Am 15.11.2021 um 06:21 schrieb Simon Brown:

No.

 

English comes from middle German through various sources – Vikings, low countries, etc.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of jdow
Sent: 15 November 2021 04:41
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Shaded area under the Spectrum

 

I thought Dutch was am absurd mashup of German, Frisian, and English.

{^_-}

On 20211114 04:54:26, Brian Morrison wrote:

On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:49:36 +0100
"Siegfried Jackstien" <siegfried.jackstien@...> wrote:
 
and Simon lived in Switzerland where they speak a "funny german slang" hi hi
 
(just kidding)
I thought that was Holland? :-p
 

 


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Re: server port number.

vince battle
 

Thanks Simon,

I have reviewed the “server manger” several times, but I just can’t connect to my Airspy discovery which is on my LAN and connected to my PI Raspberry 4. I put the address and port, but it keeps telling me connection refused.

I just want to connect only on my LAN. Now I can do this with Spyserver, which is o my PI and SDR# on my new i& 6ore NUC, But just cannot connect with SDRC

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Simon Brown
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:41 PM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] server port number.

 

See: https://www.sdr-radio.com/server-manager

 

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of vince battle
Sent: 15 November 2021 19:43
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] server port number.

 

Thanks Simon,

I’m trying to add my Airspy Discovery and thank you for the suggestion BTW, great little unit!

 

vincent

 

 

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From: Simon Brown
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:26 AM
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] server port number.

 

It’s up to the owner of the server.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of vince battle
Sent: 15 November 2021 18:14
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] server port number.

 

Grettings,

Do you have to use port# 5xxxx? Is it possible to use port# 5XXX?

 

Vince4

 

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Help with Data Analyser project...

daiche
 

I have found not much useful info on how to build an analysis made up of a number of consecutive files. I can't figure out how to build a project XML of more than a single file. Also the image gets distorted on a 2nd run of a file, unless you change the bandwidth size and run it again. I have multiple captures of all MW and am analyzing carriers on individual 'channels' at 20-40Hz bandwidth. Can someone aim me in the right direction. Thanks!

Dave Aichelman - N7NZH- Grants Pass, Oregon 

4281 - 4300 of 68784