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Re: Winradio G31/G33 - Bad news

Simon Brown
 

Hi,

Memory usage is the data cache, switched off with 32-bits. It'll run...

Simon Brown, G4ELI
https://www.sdr-radio.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of jdow
Sent: 16 July 2019 03:27
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Winradio G31/G33 - Bad news

You only get a little more than 4G for user space on x86. And my SDR Console x64 with an rtl dongle is up to 2.87 G with DSP being done on the video card. I've seen it up over 8 G. That's almost all data which does not matter x32 or x86. So I would not take a bet like that one.

{^_-}

On 20190715 19:13:03, BobS via Groups.Io wrote:
Simon,

As an owner of a G31DDC, I'll gladly take that restriction to use the
Console program w/ my WiNRADiO. Plus I seriously doubt that the
Console program uses 2GB of code & 2GB of data, hitting the 32-bit limit under 64-bit Windows.

Thanks for all your hard work and effort on this!

Bob, N3OEA


Re: QO100 Geostationary satellite beacon

MVS Sarma
 

Congrats Mark and Ben
 All the best of SAT hamdom..

regards
sarma   vu3zmv



On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 11:53 PM <michel-f6glj@...> wrote:
Hello Lucky and thank you very much, you gave me the solution : I stayed on 740 MHz because I continued to receive the satellite on this frequency, it was my error ! Now I have tuned the frequency on 10,489 5 GHz, and all is ok, after a few tentative for found the good correction, I can see the beacon in the geostationary spectrum display. And I can lock the frequency on the beacon, my reception don’t drift more. Hurrah !

Lucky, are you active on QO100 ? May be we can meet on the satellite ?

Thank you so much to Sarma
Jul 13   , #48098  
Mark and Ben.

73 QRO de Michel F6GLJ


Re: Winradio G31/G33 - Bad news

jdow
 

Oops - meant 3G. The rest is used by the OS.
{o.o} Washed my hands and can'd to a thnig wis dem.

On 20190715 19:27:23, jdow wrote:
You only get a little more than 4G for user space on x86. And my SDR Console x64 with an rtl dongle is up to 2.87 G with DSP being done on the video card. I've seen it up over 8 G. That's almost all data which does not matter x32 or x86. So I would not take a bet like that one.
{^_-}
On 20190715 19:13:03, BobS via Groups.Io wrote:
Simon,

As an owner of a G31DDC, I'll gladly take that restriction to use the Console program w/ my WiNRADiO.  Plus I seriously doubt that the Console program uses 2GB of code & 2GB of data, hitting the 32-bit limit under 64-bit Windows.

Thanks for all your hard work and effort on this!

Bob, N3OEA


Re: Winradio G31/G33 - Bad news

jdow
 

You only get a little more than 4G for user space on x86. And my SDR Console x64 with an rtl dongle is up to 2.87 G with DSP being done on the video card. I've seen it up over 8 G. That's almost all data which does not matter x32 or x86. So I would not take a bet like that one.

{^_-}

On 20190715 19:13:03, BobS via Groups.Io wrote:
Simon,
As an owner of a G31DDC, I'll gladly take that restriction to use the Console program w/ my WiNRADiO.  Plus I seriously doubt that the Console program uses 2GB of code & 2GB of data, hitting the 32-bit limit under 64-bit Windows.
Thanks for all your hard work and effort on this!
Bob, N3OEA


Re: OS Choice Question--more

BobS
 

Control Panel / Power Options / Choose What the Power Button Does / Shutdown Settings


Re: Winradio G31/G33 - Bad news

BobS
 

Simon,

As an owner of a G31DDC, I'll gladly take that restriction to use the Console program w/ my WiNRADiO.  Plus I seriously doubt that the Console program uses 2GB of code & 2GB of data, hitting the 32-bit limit under 64-bit Windows.

Thanks for all your hard work and effort on this!  

Bob, N3OEA


Re: Transmit DSP - DRM

BobS
 

Ha!  That's a good double pun on both kinds of DRM!

Simon could still get in trouble with just decoding patented algorithms.  Both Europe and the USA have strong patent laws, and I cannot fault Simon at all from just staying away from that.  That could be a reason why the Console application doesn't decode HD Radio/IBOC.  Those codecs (AM and FM) are patented too.  He's an independent developer.  I doubt that he wishes to take on teams of lawyers and incur those fees.  I would not!

I have both the commercial DRM software and DReaM.  All you need to do is pipe the output from the Console application to a virtual audio cable and decode in the external program.  At least that's how I remember it.  As I live in Florida, there are no DRM transmissions directed anywhere near me.  Sadly, I haven't logged a DRM transmission since 2014.  

Plus, if Simon is going to implement a new mode, let it be one of great importance -- like Motorola C-QUAM or Kahn/Hazeltine AM Stereo!  

-- Bob, N3OEA


Re: Transmit DSP - DRM

jdow
 

Not sure you can considering the definition of better they chose to use, which I agree with. They could dig way deep into forward error correction, block interleaving, and such to get best weak signal performance. BUT, the intent for FreeDV was to compete with SSB, meaning latency must be kept very low. They have some good people working on that. It might be interesting to write a 10 second latency format; but, who would find it comfortable to use in a contest or coffee table QSO with everybody jumping into the gaps when they had a comment? Now, a long winded roundtable with a net control might find that 10 second delay to be only a mild annoyance. Strangely this has not been proposed by somebody willing to try to do it.

{^_-}

On 20190715 10:40:23, Simon Brown wrote:
Sigi,
The question is about DRM. I explained that DRM uses AAC. I leave it to you to rewrite DRM to use FreeDV.
The MPEG xHE-AAC audio codec is a mandatory feature of the Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM) standard. It is currently in use on DRM. <https://www.drm.org/digital-radio-mondiale-audio-codec-xhe-aac-at-no-additional-cost-to-boost-drm-receiver-industry/>
Also, FreeDV is very, very difficult to compile into a Windows DLL **and** it’s GPL 2.1 so I can’t use it anyway. I could write FreeDV compatible software but I am not going to – I would replace FreeDV with a better solution were I so inclined.
If you want me to add DRM support you must first send me $25k so I can pay licence fees.
Simon Brown, G4ELI
https://www.sdr-radio.com <https://www.sdr-radio.com/>
*From:*main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Siegfried Jackstien
*Sent:* 15 July 2019 18:26
*To:* main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [SDR-Radio] Transmit DSP - DRM
Freedv is with a free codec!!!!!
That is exactly why David wrote his own codec... To be free of that minefield... And including it in console is the same as when using freedv soft and connecting it to Console with virtual audio cable
So... It is absolutely OK to use his code...
Mchf firmware has it included after I brought fw programmers together with David.... So... It would be superb if you include freedv in your soft...
No rights will be froken if you do that...
Greets SIGI dg9bfc


Re: Transmit DSP - DRM

jdow
 

If they are GPL they are a minefield Simon probably wants to avoid. Since Bruce Parens is involved I presume at least FreeDV is encumbered that way.

{^_^}

On 20190715 10:26:18, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
Freedv is with a free codec!!!!!
That is exactly why David wrote his own codec... To be free of that minefield... And including it in console is the same as when using freedv soft and connecting it to Console with virtual audio cable
So... It is absolutely OK to use his code...
Mchf firmware has it included after I brought fw programmers together with David.... So... It would be superb if you include freedv in your soft...
No rights will be froken if you do that...
Greets SIGI dg9bfc


Re: OS Choice Question--more

doug
 

On 07/15/2019 06:17 AM, David J Taylor via Groups.Io wrote:
A followup: It IS possible to turn off fast boot. You have to do some
searching with Google. The trick is to find a line that says something
like activate choices that are not shown. (That's not exact!)
[]
--doug, WA2SAY
==========================================

Good to know that it worked, as I mentioned 5 days ago:

https://sdr-radio.groups.io/g/main/message/48000

73,
David GM8ARV
Missed that. Wish I had seen it. The line that I mentioned is "Change
settings that are currently unavailable." A little hard to find. That brings up the power buttons routine with the ability to modify them.
--doug


Re: Transmit DSP - DRM

Brian Morrison
 

On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 18:40:23 +0100
"Simon Brown" <simon@...> wrote:

Sigi,



The question is about DRM. I explained that DRM uses AAC. I leave it
to you to rewrite DRM to use FreeDV.
From a Hydrogen Audio thread

"LC-AAC's patents will expire first. MPEG2 video format will have its
patents expired in 2018. LC-AAC's patents are 1 year younger. So it's a
reasonable estimation that LC-AAC's patents will expire somewhere in
2019.

HE-AAC and HE-AACv2 have more recent dates (+6-7 years comparing to
LC-AAC) so don't expect to see them patent free until 2025-2026"



The MPEG xHE-AAC audio codec is a mandatory feature of the Digital
Radio Mondiale (DRM) standard. It is currently in use on DRM.
<https://www.drm.org/digital-radio-mondiale-audio-codec-xhe-aac-at-no-additional-cost-to-boost-drm-receiver-industry/>



Also, FreeDV is very, very difficult to compile into a Windows DLL
*and* it’s GPL 2.1 so I can’t use it anyway. I could write FreeDV
compatible software but I am not going to – I would replace FreeDV
with a better solution were I so inclined.
Could there be an LGPL version that would work for you? I appreciate
the other aspects, the FreeDV people seem to be aiming for embedded
systems rather than Windows.



If you want me to add DRM support you must first send me $25k so I
can pay licence fees.
Heh!

--

Brian G8SEZ


Re: QO100 Geostationary satellite beacon

Lakshman Bijanki
 

Hello Michel,
I am happy it worked for you and you have locked your rx to the beacon.
Yes, I am qrv on QO-100. I will be active tomorrow after 1600Z. I look forward to catching up with you on the sat.
73 de Lucky/VU2LBW


Re: QO100 Geostationary satellite beacon

michel-f6glj@...
 

Thank you so much to Sarma, Mark and Ben.


Re: QO100 Geostationary satellite beacon

michel-f6glj@...
 

Hello Lucky and thank you very much, you gave me the solution : I stayed on 740 MHz because I continued to receive the satellite on this frequency, it was my error ! Now I have tuned the frequency on 10,489 5 GHz, and all is ok, after a few tentative for found the good correction, I can see the beacon in the geostationary spectrum display. And I can lock the frequency on the beacon, my reception don’t drift more. Hurrah !

Lucky, are you active on QO100 ? May be we can meet on the satellite ?

Thank you so much to Sarma
Jul 13   ,
Mark and Ben.

73 QRO de Michel F6GLJ


Re: SDR Radio 3.010 and RSP1a started but not started. #rsp1a

Ben Z en de rest
 

I did in the original message, now I rebooted and re-installed v 3.0.10 and all is working as expected again. The Start button turns grey and the stop button black and tuning works OK for both RSP1a and Pluto.


Thanks,

Ben


Re: SDR Radio 3.010 and RSP1a started but not started. #rsp1a

Simon Brown
 

Hi,

 

Always add screenshots.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ben Z en de rest
Sent: 15 July 2019 19:00
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] SDR Radio 3.010 and RSP1a started but not started. #rsp1a

 

Same thing happened when starting the Adalm Pluto. Play is black, stop is grey but unit is receiving. 

removing and installing 3.010 again did not change that. Removing 3.010 and installing 3.08 also did not solve this.

Now rebooting windows, with some updates waiting. Don't stay up for me ;-)



Re: SDR Radio 3.010 and RSP1a started but not started. #rsp1a

Ben Z en de rest
 

Same thing happened when starting the Adalm Pluto. Play is black, stop is grey but unit is receiving. 

removing and installing 3.010 again did not change that. Removing 3.010 and installing 3.08 also did not solve this.

Now rebooting windows, with some updates waiting. Don't stay up for me ;-)




Re: SDR Radio 3.010 and RSP1a started but not started. #rsp1a

Ben Z en de rest
 

Thanks for the quick reply Simon, but that option is allready on.

Strangest thing is that the play (start) button is black, de stop button is grayed out, but the SDR is receiving ?

Now switching to the Pluto to see what happens there.

73
Ben


Re: Transmit DSP - DRM

Tom M0LTE
 

Hi Sigi

Working on the assumption that you just want a digital voice mode, rather than DRM specifically.

If not, sorry and ignore me!

But if so, why not use FreeDV for Windows with SDR Console?

Pretty sure this works fine on receive via Virtual Audio Cable, and there’s no reason Transmit would be any different.

For receive, Just tell SDR Console to output receive audio to Virtual Audio Cable input, and tell FreeDV to listen to the Virtual Audio Cable output.

For transmit, and I’ve not done this to be fair, have FreeDV output it’s audio into Virtual Audio Cable input, and have SDR Console use the Virtual Audio Cable output as its audio input device.

I’ve had FreeDV receiving via a websdr in exactly that way. SDR Console should support it just fine. It’s only a couple of kHz of audio you need to pass around...

Even done it via QO-100.

Cheers
Tom


On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 at 18:40, Simon Brown <simon@...> wrote:

Sigi,

 

The question is about DRM. I explained that DRM uses AAC. I leave it to you to rewrite DRM to use FreeDV.

 

The MPEG xHE-AAC audio codec is a mandatory feature of the Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM) standard. It is currently in use on DRM.

 

Also, FreeDV is very, very difficult to compile into a Windows DLL *and* it’s GPL 2.1 so I can’t use it anyway. I could write FreeDV compatible software but I am not going to – I would replace FreeDV with a better solution were I so inclined.

 

If you want me to add DRM support you must first send me $25k so I can pay licence fees.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Siegfried Jackstien
Sent: 15 July 2019 18:26
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Transmit DSP - DRM

 

Freedv is with a free codec!!!!! 

That is exactly why David wrote his own codec... To be free of that minefield... And including it in console is the same as when using freedv soft and connecting it to Console with virtual audio cable

So... It is absolutely OK to use his code...

Mchf firmware has it included after I brought fw programmers together with David.... So... It would be superb if you include freedv in your soft...

No rights will be froken if you do that...

Greets SIGI dg9bfc


Re: Transmit DSP - DRM

Simon Brown
 

Sigi,

 

The question is about DRM. I explained that DRM uses AAC. I leave it to you to rewrite DRM to use FreeDV.

 

The MPEG xHE-AAC audio codec is a mandatory feature of the Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM) standard. It is currently in use on DRM.

 

Also, FreeDV is very, very difficult to compile into a Windows DLL *and* it’s GPL 2.1 so I can’t use it anyway. I could write FreeDV compatible software but I am not going to – I would replace FreeDV with a better solution were I so inclined.

 

If you want me to add DRM support you must first send me $25k so I can pay licence fees.

 

Simon Brown, G4ELI

https://www.sdr-radio.com

 

From: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io <main@SDR-Radio.groups.io> On Behalf Of Siegfried Jackstien
Sent: 15 July 2019 18:26
To: main@SDR-Radio.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SDR-Radio] Transmit DSP - DRM

 

Freedv is with a free codec!!!!! 

That is exactly why David wrote his own codec... To be free of that minefield... And including it in console is the same as when using freedv soft and connecting it to Console with virtual audio cable

So... It is absolutely OK to use his code...

Mchf firmware has it included after I brought fw programmers together with David.... So... It would be superb if you include freedv in your soft...

No rights will be froken if you do that...

Greets SIGI dg9bfc